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Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
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Jonathan Mosen
2016-09-08 19:47:10 UTC
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Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
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2016-09-08 19:58:59 UTC
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Oh, thank God! This is briliant! Belkin is awesome!


Thanks,
Ari
Post by Jonathan Mosen
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
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Daniel Miller
2016-09-09 04:30:26 UTC
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Good lord Jesus, you people bitching about the loss of the headphone jack are utterly pathetic. Get over yourselves, and learn to adapt to change. You better be thankful apples even including an adapter in the box for this one year of the transitional period. Next year with the even newer iPhone, that adapter will most likely not be in the box.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
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Oh, thank God! This is briliant! Belkin is awesome!
Thanks,
Ari
Post by Jonathan Mosen
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
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Bill Gallik
2016-09-09 05:28:29 UTC
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I heartily agree with Daniel, what's wrong with you people? What is it about the fact that Apple is included in the adapter with the new iPhone 7 that you don't get? Or is this another play a part of somebody who seems to be an opportunist to sell something that we don't need to buy?


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Post by Daniel Miller
Good lord Jesus, you people bitching about the loss of the headphone jack are utterly pathetic. Get over yourselves, and learn to adapt to change. You better be thankful apples even including an adapter in the box for this one year of the transitional period. Next year with the even newer iPhone, that adapter will most likely not be in the box.
Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
Post by e***@gmail.com
Oh, thank God! This is briliant! Belkin is awesome!
Thanks,
Ari
Post by Jonathan Mosen
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
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Christopher Chaltain
2016-09-09 07:32:29 UTC
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What I don't get is why some people care so much about the fact that
others regret losing the headphone jack that they're going to insult and
put down people on this list. Why does anyone else care that I don't
like losing the headphone jack? How is that bothering anyone else?
Aren't we all allowed to have our opinions even if they don't agree with
someone else on the list?

For me, I don't want to have to keep track of another little pigtail. I
frequently switch headphones from device to device, and now before I can
do that, I'll need to make sure I have my adapter with me. True, it's
not a big deal, but just another thing to worry about. Sure, someday
I'll have headphones that will work with my PC and my smart phone
without needing an adapter, but I'm not there yet. Sure this isn't
important to everyone else, but I don't see why caring about a feature
more than someone else makes me pathetic.

What have I gained by losing the headphone jack? Is the iPhone 7 thinner
than the iPhone 6? Is it more water proof? Couldn't I still use
Lightning connected headphones with my iPhone 6, assuming I had any? Is
it cheaper now because Apple doesn't need to include this extra hardware
and incorporate it into it's design?
Post by Bill Gallik
I heartily agree with Daniel, what's wrong with you people? What is it
about the fact that Apple is included in the adapter with the new iPhone
7 that you don't get? Or is this another play a part of somebody who
seems to be an opportunist to sell something that we don't need to buy?
************
- Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.4)
Post by Daniel Miller
Good lord Jesus, you people bitching about the loss of the headphone
jack are utterly pathetic. Get over yourselves, and learn to adapt to
change. You better be thankful apples even including an adapter in the
box for this one year of the transitional period. Next year with the
even newer iPhone, that adapter will most likely not be in the box.
Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
Post by e***@gmail.com
Oh, thank God! This is briliant! Belkin is awesome!
Thanks,
Ari
Post by Jonathan Mosen
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns
about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's
the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
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Dave
2016-09-09 08:43:22 UTC
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I totaly agree with you,

Dave.

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Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need

What I don't get is why some people care so much about the fact that
others regret losing the headphone jack that they're going to insult and
put down people on this list. Why does anyone else care that I don't
like losing the headphone jack? How is that bothering anyone else?
Aren't we all allowed to have our opinions even if they don't agree with
someone else on the list?

For me, I don't want to have to keep track of another little pigtail. I
frequently switch headphones from device to device, and now before I can
do that, I'll need to make sure I have my adapter with me. True, it's
not a big deal, but just another thing to worry about. Sure, someday
I'll have headphones that will work with my PC and my smart phone
without needing an adapter, but I'm not there yet. Sure this isn't
important to everyone else, but I don't see why caring about a feature
more than someone else makes me pathetic.

What have I gained by losing the headphone jack? Is the iPhone 7 thinner
than the iPhone 6? Is it more water proof? Couldn't I still use
Lightning connected headphones with my iPhone 6, assuming I had any? Is
it cheaper now because Apple doesn't need to include this extra hardware
and incorporate it into it's design?
Post by Bill Gallik
I heartily agree with Daniel, what's wrong with you people? What is it
about the fact that Apple is included in the adapter with the new iPhone
7 that you don't get? Or is this another play a part of somebody who
seems to be an opportunist to sell something that we don't need to buy?
************
- Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.4)
Post by Daniel Miller
Good lord Jesus, you people bitching about the loss of the headphone
jack are utterly pathetic. Get over yourselves, and learn to adapt to
change. You better be thankful apples even including an adapter in the
box for this one year of the transitional period. Next year with the
even newer iPhone, that adapter will most likely not be in the box.
Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
Post by e***@gmail.com
Oh, thank God! This is briliant! Belkin is awesome!
Thanks,
Ari
Post by Jonathan Mosen
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns
about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's
the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
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Jewel
2016-09-09 23:14:04 UTC
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In a post that I have deleted, someone said that with the removal of the headphone jack, the new
iphones will be waterproof.
Surely, the usb slot would let water into the interior of the phone?

Jewel

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Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need

I totaly agree with you,

Dave.

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Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 8:32 AM
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Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need

What I don't get is why some people care so much about the fact that
others regret losing the headphone jack that they're going to insult and
put down people on this list. Why does anyone else care that I don't
like losing the headphone jack? How is that bothering anyone else?
Aren't we all allowed to have our opinions even if they don't agree with
someone else on the list?

For me, I don't want to have to keep track of another little pigtail. I
frequently switch headphones from device to device, and now before I can
do that, I'll need to make sure I have my adapter with me. True, it's
not a big deal, but just another thing to worry about. Sure, someday
I'll have headphones that will work with my PC and my smart phone
without needing an adapter, but I'm not there yet. Sure this isn't
important to everyone else, but I don't see why caring about a feature
more than someone else makes me pathetic.

What have I gained by losing the headphone jack? Is the iPhone 7 thinner
than the iPhone 6? Is it more water proof? Couldn't I still use
Lightning connected headphones with my iPhone 6, assuming I had any? Is
it cheaper now because Apple doesn't need to include this extra hardware
and incorporate it into it's design?
Post by Bill Gallik
I heartily agree with Daniel, what's wrong with you people? What is it
about the fact that Apple is included in the adapter with the new iPhone
7 that you don't get? Or is this another play a part of somebody who
seems to be an opportunist to sell something that we don't need to buy?
************
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Post by Daniel Miller
Good lord Jesus, you people bitching about the loss of the headphone
jack are utterly pathetic. Get over yourselves, and learn to adapt to
change. You better be thankful apples even including an adapter in the
box for this one year of the transitional period. Next year with the
even newer iPhone, that adapter will most likely not be in the box.
Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
Post by e***@gmail.com
Oh, thank God! This is briliant! Belkin is awesome!
Thanks,
Ari
Post by Jonathan Mosen
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns
about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's
the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
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Dave
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well! if you don’t want to buy the adaptor, you should know the answer!

Trust me, if belkin, didn’t think, these products were wanted, they wouldn’t manufacture them.

Also, apple should have realised, that a lot of us, including sighted people, need the ability, to charge our phones whilst listening, and for those of us, who are out and about, through the day, and have to make many phone calls and use voiceover, need this option!

Dave.

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I heartily agree with Daniel, what's wrong with you people? What is it about the fact that Apple is included in the adapter with the new iPhone 7 that you don't get? Or is this another play a part of somebody who seems to be an opportunist to sell something that we don't need to buy?




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Good lord Jesus, you people bitching about the loss of the headphone jack are utterly pathetic. Get over yourselves, and learn to adapt to change. You better be thankful apples even including an adapter in the box for this one year of the transitional period. Next year with the even newer iPhone, that adapter will most likely not be in the box.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

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Oh, thank God! This is briliant! Belkin is awesome!


Thanks,
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http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/

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Hey! to a lot of people, like the deaf, and those of us, who wish to charge our handsets and listen with headphones, at the same time, this is a big issue! Also belkin, and other accessory companies, also think it is a big enough issue, to manufacture these products.

Get over your self!

People are aloud to have their say!

No need for that kind of atitude! it Stinks!

Dave.


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Good lord Jesus, you people bitching about the loss of the headphone jack are utterly pathetic. Get over yourselves, and learn to adapt to change. You better be thankful apples even including an adapter in the box for this one year of the transitional period. Next year with the even newer iPhone, that adapter will most likely not be in the box.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

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Oh, thank God! This is briliant! Belkin is awesome!


Thanks,
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http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/

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You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.

Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup. There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous

Appel was actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their pound of flesh one way or another.

Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.





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Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's the solution.

http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/

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Donald Moore
2016-09-08 21:28:01 UTC
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You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go back to the old plug.



From: ***@googlegroups.com [mailto:***@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
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You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup. There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous
Appel was actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.


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http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
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And of pigs have wings they would fly. It's not going to happen.
Mary


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You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go back to the old plug.
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup. There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous
Appel was actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
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http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
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Daniel L. Gervais
2016-09-09 13:10:35 UTC
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I agree, I would doubt very much that Apple would go back on their
change, there's enough Apple fanatics out there that just buy anything
that Apple makes, so even if some of us boycott the 7, it will never be
enough to affect the $$$ that they are raking in with the iPhone sales.
We'll just have to either live with it or just change phones and jump to
Android.




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Date: 2016/09/08 5:36 PM
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And of pigs have wings they would fly. It's not going to happen.
Mary


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You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go back to the old plug.
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Post by Donald Moore
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out
by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Post by Donald Moore
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see
what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to come
up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup. There
goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything else.
That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with for all
the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous
Post by Donald Moore
Appel was actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the
replacement dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to
get their pound of flesh one way or another.
Post by Donald Moore
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns about
the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's the
solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
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Anthony Vece
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Come on Dan!


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I agree, I would doubt very much that Apple would go back on their
change, there's enough Apple fanatics out there that just buy anything
that Apple makes, so even if some of us boycott the 7, it will never be
enough to affect the $$$ that they are raking in with the iPhone sales.
We'll just have to either live with it or just change phones and jump to
Android.
Date: 2016/09/08 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us
need
And of pigs have wings they would fly. It's not going to happen.
Mary
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You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go
back to the old plug.
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Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out
by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Post by Donald Moore
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see
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goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything else.
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the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous
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Appel was actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the
replacement dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to
get their pound of flesh one way or another.
Post by Donald Moore
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
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http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
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I agree
If Enough People Refuse to UpGrade their
MobilePhone to either Apple's NEW iPhones ThatBeing iPhone7&iPhone7+
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You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7,
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really a mobile solution. Curious to see what
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us who may want or need that extra backup.
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on top of everything else. That and what type of
solution they’re going to come up with for
all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous
Appel was actually getting credit yesterday for
only selling the replacement dongles for $9.00,
but I guess this shows they’re going to get
their pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
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<http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/>http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
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Good God, please stop.



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I agree
If Enough People Refuse to UpGrade their MobilePhone to either Apple's NEW iPhones ThatBeing iPhone7&iPhone7+
At 02:28 PM 9/8/2016, you wrote:



You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go back to the old plug.



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You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup. There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous
Appel was actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.


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Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
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It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on the sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important for sighted people.

Take care
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Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should move on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in the world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while listening isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my phone all that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner, I'll buy the Belcan thingie.


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It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on the sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important for sighted people.

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No, but it is a big deal, for those of us, who utilise, more of our phones
features.

Dave.

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Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should move on.
Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in the world wasn't
going to alter that decision. Charging while listening isn't a big deal for
me but I'm retired and don't use my phone all that much for calling anyway.
If I need power sooner, I'll buy the Belcan thingie.


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It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on the
sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important for sighted
people.

Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go back to the old plug.
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out by a
mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see what
kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to come up
with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup. There goes
another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything else. That and
what type of solution they’re going to come up with for all the credit
card swipers that are so ubiquitous Appel was actually getting credit
yesterday for only selling the replacement dongles for $9.00, but I guess
this shows they’re going to get their pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
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Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the box,
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http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iph
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Christopher Chaltain
2016-09-09 12:25:34 UTC
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I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but
it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't let
Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple couldn't
put the headphone jack back in a future device, although like I said, I
would doubt it.

I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone jack
is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my sighted
peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want to check the
lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users who'll be wishing
their new phone had a headphone jack on it that they've taken for
granted on all of their electronics for years.

It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers,
shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are you
just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking about
blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me to pay to
get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision Apple made.
I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to assume
that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's best for
me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we should just
be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers and blind
consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should move on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in the world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while listening isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my phone all that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner, I'll buy the Belcan thingie.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on the sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important for sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go back to the old plug.
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup. There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous Appel was actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iph
one-7/
Jonathan Mosen
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Regina Alvarado
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As I have only seen one Android I do not know if the phone Jack is on it, but for some maybe this would be a good replacement to the new Apple? I have been told Talk Back is a pretty good program. I believe too that because Apple has removed the Jack, if well received by the general public, it will also disappear from the Android and Windows phones. I think fortunately or unfortunately we are a subset given drops of accessibility and as we are now using mainstream devices we are at the public's mercy. Doesn't make it right, just a fact, and we want parity with our sighted counterparts, right? Kind of like the ERA. Put women in combat when some said they should never be. Change is hard, and I sure understand the deaf/blind problem (with my hearing deficit(, but there are ways around the problems, inconvenient yes but not worth waging a war over. Tell Apple accessibility or hold onto old phones or yell here if you must, but the earphone jack is gone, and there are much, much more important problems with Voice-over that Apple should be addressing in my opinion.

reggie & Lex

On Sep 9, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Christopher Chaltain <***@gmail.com> wrote:

I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't let Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple couldn't put the headphone jack back in a future device, although like I said, I would doubt it.

I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone jack is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my sighted peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want to check the lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users who'll be wishing their new phone had a headphone jack on it that they've taken for granted on all of their electronics for years.

It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers, shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are you just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking about blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me to pay to get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision Apple made. I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to assume that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's best for me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we should just be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers and blind consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should move on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in the world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while listening isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my phone all that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner, I'll buy the Belcan thingie.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on the sales figures. Don’t think so, but 

 Camera is too important for sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go back to the old plug.
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup. There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous Appel was actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iph
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Cathy Inglis
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The windows phones and android phones will follow suit. Eventually there will be no earphone jacks in any of the phones. I'm glad this company put out a product to solve the problems that people are worrying about. I will look into this product when I get a phone. I am keeping my 6S full right now, I'm not eligible for an upgrade.

Cathy and Tiny.
Post by Regina Alvarado
As I have only seen one Android I do not know if the phone Jack is on it, but for some maybe this would be a good replacement to the new Apple? I have been told Talk Back is a pretty good program. I believe too that because Apple has removed the Jack, if well received by the general public, it will also disappear from the Android and Windows phones. I think fortunately or unfortunately we are a subset given drops of accessibility and as we are now using mainstream devices we are at the public's mercy. Doesn't make it right, just a fact, and we want parity with our sighted counterparts, right? Kind of like the ERA. Put women in combat when some said they should never be. Change is hard, and I sure understand the deaf/blind problem (with my hearing deficit(, but there are ways around the problems, inconvenient yes but not worth waging a war over. Tell Apple accessibility or hold onto old phones or yell here if you must, but the earphone jack is gone, and there are much, much more important problems with Voice-over that Apple should be addressing in my opinion.
reggie & Lex
I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't let Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple couldn't put the headphone jack back in a future device, although like I said, I would doubt it.
I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone jack is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my sighted peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want to check the lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users who'll be wishing their new phone had a headphone jack on it that they've taken for granted on all of their electronics for years.
It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers, shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are you just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking about blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me to pay to get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision Apple made. I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to assume that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's best for me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we should just be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers and blind consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should move on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in the world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while listening isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my phone all that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner, I'll buy the Belcan thingie.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on the sales figures. Don’t think so, but 

 Camera is too important for sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go back to the old plug.
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup. There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous Appel was actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
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Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iph
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There is at least one Android handset that beat Apple to the punch when
it came to removing the headphone jack, but most of the Android phones
still have a headphone jack.

IMHO, it'll be hard to tell for Apple to tell if the iPhone 7 is being
well received just because they removed the headphone jack. I'm not sure
what removing the headphone jack actually buys anyone right now. Any
improved audio fidelity you get with the Lightning connected headphones,
you would still see even if the headphone jack was still there. Sure,
you may see thinner and more waterproof phones in the future, but for
now, I don't think anyone is seeing the advantages of Apple ditching the
headphone jack except for Apple and peripheral makers.

I think if the iPhone 7 is received well, it'll be for features that
have been added and not those that have been removed.
Post by Regina Alvarado
As I have only seen one Android I do not know if the phone Jack is on
it, but for some maybe this would be a good replacement to the new
Apple? I have been told Talk Back is a pretty good program. I believe
too that because Apple has removed the Jack, if well received by the
general public, it will also disappear from the Android and Windows
phones. I think fortunately or unfortunately we are a subset given drops
of accessibility and as we are now using mainstream devices we are at
the public's mercy. Doesn't make it right, just a fact, and we want
parity with our sighted counterparts, right? Kind of like the ERA. Put
women in combat when some said they should never be. Change is hard, and
I sure understand the deaf/blind problem (with my hearing deficit(, but
there are ways around the problems, inconvenient yes but not worth
waging a war over. Tell Apple accessibility or hold onto old phones or
yell here if you must, but the earphone jack is gone, and there are
much, much more important problems with Voice-over that Apple should be
addressing in my opinion.
reggie & Lex
I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but
it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't let
Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple couldn't
put the headphone jack back in a future device, although like I said, I
would doubt it.
I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone jack
is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my sighted
peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want to check the
lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users who'll be wishing
their new phone had a headphone jack on it that they've taken for
granted on all of their electronics for years.
It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers,
shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are you
just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking about
blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me to pay to
get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision Apple made.
I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to assume
that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's best for
me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we should just
be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers and blind
consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should move
on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in the
world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while listening
isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my phone all
that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner, I'll buy the
Belcan thingie.
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It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on
the sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important for
sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go
back to the old plug.
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out
by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see
what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to
come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup.
There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything
else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with
for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous Appel was
actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement
dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their
pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns
about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's
the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iph
one-7/
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In addition, as has been said before elsewhere, they may be removing
the headphone jack this year so they can really wow everyone with
something special next year. As one podcaster pointed out this week,
this year the main topic of conversation is the headphone jack
disappearing. While next year, everyone or most people will have moved
on from that and will be talking about whatever special item they're
working on for the 10 year iPhone. I don't like it any better than
other people, but at least they're helping to ease the transition by
including an adaptor in the box this year. They could just as easily
charge $20 or $30 for that $9 adaptor, and make us buy it as an
accessory.

Wayne
Post by Christopher Chaltain
There is at least one Android handset that beat Apple to the punch when
it came to removing the headphone jack, but most of the Android phones
still have a headphone jack.
IMHO, it'll be hard to tell for Apple to tell if the iPhone 7 is being
well received just because they removed the headphone jack. I'm not sure
what removing the headphone jack actually buys anyone right now. Any
improved audio fidelity you get with the Lightning connected headphones,
you would still see even if the headphone jack was still there. Sure,
you may see thinner and more waterproof phones in the future, but for
now, I don't think anyone is seeing the advantages of Apple ditching the
headphone jack except for Apple and peripheral makers.
I think if the iPhone 7 is received well, it'll be for features that
have been added and not those that have been removed.
Post by Regina Alvarado
As I have only seen one Android I do not know if the phone Jack is on
it, but for some maybe this would be a good replacement to the new
Apple? I have been told Talk Back is a pretty good program. I believe
too that because Apple has removed the Jack, if well received by the
general public, it will also disappear from the Android and Windows
phones. I think fortunately or unfortunately we are a subset given drops
of accessibility and as we are now using mainstream devices we are at
the public's mercy. Doesn't make it right, just a fact, and we want
parity with our sighted counterparts, right? Kind of like the ERA. Put
women in combat when some said they should never be. Change is hard, and
I sure understand the deaf/blind problem (with my hearing deficit(, but
there are ways around the problems, inconvenient yes but not worth
waging a war over. Tell Apple accessibility or hold onto old phones or
yell here if you must, but the earphone jack is gone, and there are
much, much more important problems with Voice-over that Apple should be
addressing in my opinion.
reggie & Lex
I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but
it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't let
Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple couldn't
put the headphone jack back in a future device, although like I said, I
would doubt it.
I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone jack
is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my sighted
peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want to check the
lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users who'll be wishing
their new phone had a headphone jack on it that they've taken for
granted on all of their electronics for years.
It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers,
shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are you
just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking about
blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me to pay to
get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision Apple made.
I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to assume
that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's best for
me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we should just
be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers and blind
consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should move
on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in the
world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while listening
isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my phone all
that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner, I'll buy the
Belcan thingie.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on
the sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important for
sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go
back to the old plug.
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out
by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see
what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to
come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup.
There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything
else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with
for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous Appel was
actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement
dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their
pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns
about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's
the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iph
one-7/
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Instead they are offering the $150 Air pods?

-----Original Message-----
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In addition, as has been said before elsewhere, they may be removing
the headphone jack this year so they can really wow everyone with
something special next year. As one podcaster pointed out this week,
this year the main topic of conversation is the headphone jack
disappearing. While next year, everyone or most people will have moved
on from that and will be talking about whatever special item they're
working on for the 10 year iPhone. I don't like it any better than
other people, but at least they're helping to ease the transition by
including an adaptor in the box this year. They could just as easily
charge $20 or $30 for that $9 adaptor, and make us buy it as an
accessory.

Wayne
Post by Christopher Chaltain
There is at least one Android handset that beat Apple to the punch when
it came to removing the headphone jack, but most of the Android phones
still have a headphone jack.
IMHO, it'll be hard to tell for Apple to tell if the iPhone 7 is being
well received just because they removed the headphone jack. I'm not sure
what removing the headphone jack actually buys anyone right now. Any
improved audio fidelity you get with the Lightning connected headphones,
you would still see even if the headphone jack was still there. Sure,
you may see thinner and more waterproof phones in the future, but for
now, I don't think anyone is seeing the advantages of Apple ditching the
headphone jack except for Apple and peripheral makers.
I think if the iPhone 7 is received well, it'll be for features that
have been added and not those that have been removed.
Post by Regina Alvarado
As I have only seen one Android I do not know if the phone Jack is on
it, but for some maybe this would be a good replacement to the new
Apple? I have been told Talk Back is a pretty good program. I believe
too that because Apple has removed the Jack, if well received by the
general public, it will also disappear from the Android and Windows
phones. I think fortunately or unfortunately we are a subset given drops
of accessibility and as we are now using mainstream devices we are at
the public's mercy. Doesn't make it right, just a fact, and we want
parity with our sighted counterparts, right? Kind of like the ERA. Put
women in combat when some said they should never be. Change is hard, and
I sure understand the deaf/blind problem (with my hearing deficit(, but
there are ways around the problems, inconvenient yes but not worth
waging a war over. Tell Apple accessibility or hold onto old phones or
yell here if you must, but the earphone jack is gone, and there are
much, much more important problems with Voice-over that Apple should be
addressing in my opinion.
reggie & Lex
I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but
it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't let
Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple couldn't
put the headphone jack back in a future device, although like I said, I
would doubt it.
I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone jack
is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my sighted
peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want to check the
lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users who'll be wishing
their new phone had a headphone jack on it that they've taken for
granted on all of their electronics for years.
It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers,
shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are you
just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking about
blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me to pay to
get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision Apple made.
I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to assume
that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's best for
me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we should just
be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers and blind
consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should move
on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in the
world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while listening
isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my phone all
that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner, I'll buy the
Belcan thingie.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on
the sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important for
sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go
back to the old plug.
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out
by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see
what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to
come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup.
There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything
else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with
for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous Appel was
actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement
dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their
pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
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Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns
about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's
the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iph
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no. you have to buy them separatly.

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Instead they are offering the $150 Air pods?

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In addition, as has been said before elsewhere, they may be removing
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something special next year. As one podcaster pointed out this week,
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disappearing. While next year, everyone or most people will have moved
on from that and will be talking about whatever special item they're
working on for the 10 year iPhone. I don't like it any better than
other people, but at least they're helping to ease the transition by
including an adaptor in the box this year. They could just as easily
charge $20 or $30 for that $9 adaptor, and make us buy it as an
accessory.

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Post by Christopher Chaltain
There is at least one Android handset that beat Apple to the punch when
it came to removing the headphone jack, but most of the Android phones
still have a headphone jack.
IMHO, it'll be hard to tell for Apple to tell if the iPhone 7 is being
well received just because they removed the headphone jack. I'm not sure
what removing the headphone jack actually buys anyone right now. Any
improved audio fidelity you get with the Lightning connected headphones,
you would still see even if the headphone jack was still there. Sure,
you may see thinner and more waterproof phones in the future, but for
now, I don't think anyone is seeing the advantages of Apple ditching the
headphone jack except for Apple and peripheral makers.
I think if the iPhone 7 is received well, it'll be for features that
have been added and not those that have been removed.
Post by Regina Alvarado
As I have only seen one Android I do not know if the phone Jack is on
it, but for some maybe this would be a good replacement to the new
Apple? I have been told Talk Back is a pretty good program. I believe
too that because Apple has removed the Jack, if well received by the
general public, it will also disappear from the Android and Windows
phones. I think fortunately or unfortunately we are a subset given drops
of accessibility and as we are now using mainstream devices we are at
the public's mercy. Doesn't make it right, just a fact, and we want
parity with our sighted counterparts, right? Kind of like the ERA. Put
women in combat when some said they should never be. Change is hard, and
I sure understand the deaf/blind problem (with my hearing deficit(, but
there are ways around the problems, inconvenient yes but not worth
waging a war over. Tell Apple accessibility or hold onto old phones or
yell here if you must, but the earphone jack is gone, and there are
much, much more important problems with Voice-over that Apple should be
addressing in my opinion.
reggie & Lex
I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but
it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't let
Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple couldn't
put the headphone jack back in a future device, although like I said, I
would doubt it.
I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone jack
is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my sighted
peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want to check the
lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users who'll be wishing
their new phone had a headphone jack on it that they've taken for
granted on all of their electronics for years.
It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers,
shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are you
just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking about
blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me to pay to
get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision Apple made.
I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to assume
that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's best for
me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we should just
be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers and blind
consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should move
on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in the
world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while listening
isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my phone all
that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner, I'll buy the
Belcan thingie.
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Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on
the sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important for
sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go
back to the old plug.
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out
by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see
what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to
come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup.
There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything
else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with
for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous Appel was
actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement
dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their
pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
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Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
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about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's
the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iph
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You don't understand my meaning. The fact that you need to buy an expensive
pair of wireless ear buds is a plus for Apple.

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Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need

no. you have to buy them separatly.

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Instead they are offering the $150 Air pods?

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Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 10:32 AM
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Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need

In addition, as has been said before elsewhere, they may be removing
the headphone jack this year so they can really wow everyone with
something special next year. As one podcaster pointed out this week,
this year the main topic of conversation is the headphone jack
disappearing. While next year, everyone or most people will have moved
on from that and will be talking about whatever special item they're
working on for the 10 year iPhone. I don't like it any better than
other people, but at least they're helping to ease the transition by
including an adaptor in the box this year. They could just as easily
charge $20 or $30 for that $9 adaptor, and make us buy it as an
accessory.

Wayne
Post by Christopher Chaltain
There is at least one Android handset that beat Apple to the punch when
it came to removing the headphone jack, but most of the Android phones
still have a headphone jack.
IMHO, it'll be hard to tell for Apple to tell if the iPhone 7 is being
well received just because they removed the headphone jack. I'm not sure
what removing the headphone jack actually buys anyone right now. Any
improved audio fidelity you get with the Lightning connected headphones,
you would still see even if the headphone jack was still there. Sure,
you may see thinner and more waterproof phones in the future, but for
now, I don't think anyone is seeing the advantages of Apple ditching the
headphone jack except for Apple and peripheral makers.
I think if the iPhone 7 is received well, it'll be for features that
have been added and not those that have been removed.
Post by Regina Alvarado
As I have only seen one Android I do not know if the phone Jack is on
it, but for some maybe this would be a good replacement to the new
Apple? I have been told Talk Back is a pretty good program. I believe
too that because Apple has removed the Jack, if well received by the
general public, it will also disappear from the Android and Windows
phones. I think fortunately or unfortunately we are a subset given drops
of accessibility and as we are now using mainstream devices we are at
the public's mercy. Doesn't make it right, just a fact, and we want
parity with our sighted counterparts, right? Kind of like the ERA. Put
women in combat when some said they should never be. Change is hard, and
I sure understand the deaf/blind problem (with my hearing deficit(, but
there are ways around the problems, inconvenient yes but not worth
waging a war over. Tell Apple accessibility or hold onto old phones or
yell here if you must, but the earphone jack is gone, and there are
much, much more important problems with Voice-over that Apple should be
addressing in my opinion.
reggie & Lex
I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but
it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't let
Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple couldn't
put the headphone jack back in a future device, although like I said, I
would doubt it.
I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone jack
is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my sighted
peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want to check the
lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users who'll be wishing
their new phone had a headphone jack on it that they've taken for
granted on all of their electronics for years.
It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers,
shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are you
just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking about
blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me to pay to
get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision Apple made.
I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to assume
that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's best for
me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we should just
be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers and blind
consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should move
on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in the
world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while listening
isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my phone all
that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner, I'll buy the
Belcan thingie.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on
the sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important for
sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go
back to the old plug.
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out
by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see
what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to
come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup.
There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything
else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with
for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous Appel was
actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement
dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their
pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns
about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's
the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iph
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Sieghard Weitzel
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Hi Marie,

You don't "need" to buy these Airpods. Yes, the 3.5mm headphone jack is gone so you have to use the Lightning earpods that come with the phone or the 3.5mm to Lightning adapter or of course you can use any bluetooth earpiece or headset you already may own or you can buy an inexpensive $50 bluetooth earpiece. These are all valid options and while I agree that $160 US for the Airpods is a steep price, there are many $150 to $200 headsets out there and given the highly advanced design of these Airpods which I totally expect to be awesome means the price tag is not totally unjustified compared to what else is out there. I recently bought one of the more expensive bluetooth headsets from Plantronics which was $200 here in Canada, I think they are around $150 in the States, so not far off what Apple charges for their Airpods. While they sounded great they were bulky headsets and considering the price tag the lag when using Voiceover was horrible. They were using Bluetooth 4.0 yet the lag was probably a good half second, about the worst I have ever experienced and I promptly returned them for a refund since I bought them from Amazon. It appears that the version of Bluetooth doesn't necessarily mean it's a better experience since I have an old Bluetooth 2.1 device which has almost no lag. It will be very interesting to see how responsive these Apple Airpods will be, if they are awesome I'll probably buy a set despite the price tag and despite the fact that I am not even upgrading my 6S Plus to a 7 or 7 Plus. I also like the fact you can use either left or right by itself which is great for walking around when you want to get GPS announcements etc. I think Apple is very serious about making wireless a standard which is not a "I can live with that solution" because it's not great but I don't want wires, but they want to make it an enjoyable and high quality experience. Let's see if they deliver, also they designed this W1 chip so this means we'll probably see a W2, W3 and so on chip down the road which improves the experience further.


Regards,
Sieghard

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You don't understand my meaning. The fact that you need to buy an expensive pair of wireless ear buds is a plus for Apple.

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no. you have to buy them separatly.

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Instead they are offering the $150 Air pods?

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In addition, as has been said before elsewhere, they may be removing the headphone jack this year so they can really wow everyone with something special next year. As one podcaster pointed out this week, this year the main topic of conversation is the headphone jack disappearing. While next year, everyone or most people will have moved on from that and will be talking about whatever special item they're working on for the 10 year iPhone. I don't like it any better than other people, but at least they're helping to ease the transition by including an adaptor in the box this year. They could just as easily charge $20 or $30 for that $9 adaptor, and make us buy it as an accessory.

Wayne
Post by Christopher Chaltain
There is at least one Android handset that beat Apple to the punch
when it came to removing the headphone jack, but most of the Android
phones still have a headphone jack.
IMHO, it'll be hard to tell for Apple to tell if the iPhone 7 is being
well received just because they removed the headphone jack. I'm not
sure what removing the headphone jack actually buys anyone right now.
Any improved audio fidelity you get with the Lightning connected
headphones, you would still see even if the headphone jack was still
there. Sure, you may see thinner and more waterproof phones in the
future, but for now, I don't think anyone is seeing the advantages of
Apple ditching the headphone jack except for Apple and peripheral makers.
I think if the iPhone 7 is received well, it'll be for features that
have been added and not those that have been removed.
Post by Regina Alvarado
As I have only seen one Android I do not know if the phone Jack is on
it, but for some maybe this would be a good replacement to the new
Apple? I have been told Talk Back is a pretty good program. I believe
too that because Apple has removed the Jack, if well received by the
general public, it will also disappear from the Android and Windows
phones. I think fortunately or unfortunately we are a subset given
drops of accessibility and as we are now using mainstream devices we
are at the public's mercy. Doesn't make it right, just a fact, and we
want parity with our sighted counterparts, right? Kind of like the
ERA. Put women in combat when some said they should never be. Change
is hard, and I sure understand the deaf/blind problem (with my
hearing deficit(, but there are ways around the problems,
inconvenient yes but not worth waging a war over. Tell Apple
accessibility or hold onto old phones or yell here if you must, but
the earphone jack is gone, and there are much, much more important
problems with Voice-over that Apple should be addressing in my opinion.
reggie & Lex
I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but
it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't
let Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple
couldn't put the headphone jack back in a future device, although
like I said, I would doubt it.
I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone
jack is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my
sighted peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want
to check the lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users
who'll be wishing their new phone had a headphone jack on it that
they've taken for granted on all of their electronics for years.
It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers,
shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are
you just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking
about blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me
to pay to get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision Apple made.
I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to
assume that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's
best for me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we
should just be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers
and blind consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should
move on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in
the world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while
listening isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my
phone all that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner,
I'll buy the Belcan thingie.
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It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on
the sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important
for sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go
back to the old plug.
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come
out by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see
what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to
come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup.
There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of
everything else. That and what type of solution they’re going to
come up with for all the credit card swipers that are so
ubiquitous Appel was actually getting credit yesterday for only
selling the replacement dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows
they’re going to get their pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
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Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns
about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge,
here's the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-
iph
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W1 Chip still has lag :(
Based on below excerpt, latency in w1 chip is less than most Bluetooth, but
latency /= 0 ms | /= Wired connection.
"... a RemoteTalk headphone cable with 3.5mm headphone jacks ... This,
effectively, allows you to turn your Beats Solo3 Wireless Headphones into a
pair of Beats Solo3 Wired Headphones. This is great for those times ... for
other occasions, such as low latency podcast monitoring (latency is
significantly less than most Bluetooth headphones, yet it’s still
discernible.)"
https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/hands-on-beats-solo3-wireless-the-first-available-headphones-featuring-apples-new-w1-chip-video/
Post by Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Marie,
You don't "need" to buy these Airpods. Yes, the 3.5mm headphone jack is
gone so you have to use the Lightning earpods that come with the phone or
the 3.5mm to Lightning adapter or of course you can use any bluetooth
earpiece or headset you already may own or you can buy an inexpensive $50
bluetooth earpiece. These are all valid options and while I agree that $160
US for the Airpods is a steep price, there are many $150 to $200 headsets
out there and given the highly advanced design of these Airpods which I
totally expect to be awesome means the price tag is not totally unjustified
compared to what else is out there. I recently bought one of the more
expensive bluetooth headsets from Plantronics which was $200 here in
Canada, I think they are around $150 in the States, so not far off what
Apple charges for their Airpods. While they sounded great they were bulky
headsets and considering the price tag the lag when using Voiceover was
horrible. They were using Bluetooth 4.0 yet the lag was probably a good
half second, about the worst I have ever experienced and I promptly
returned them for a refund since I bought them from Amazon. It appears that
the version of Bluetooth doesn't necessarily mean it's a better experience
since I have an old Bluetooth 2.1 device which has almost no lag. It will
be very interesting to see how responsive these Apple Airpods will be, if
they are awesome I'll probably buy a set despite the price tag and despite
the fact that I am not even upgrading my 6S Plus to a 7 or 7 Plus. I also
like the fact you can use either left or right by itself which is great for
walking around when you want to get GPS announcements etc. I think Apple is
very serious about making wireless a standard which is not a "I can live
with that solution" because it's not great but I don't want wires, but they
want to make it an enjoyable and high quality experience. Let's see if they
deliver, also they designed this W1 chip so this means we'll probably see a
W2, W3 and so on chip down the road which improves the experience further.
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You don't understand my meaning. The fact that you need to buy an
expensive pair of wireless ear buds is a plus for Apple.
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From: Dave
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
no. you have to buy them separatly.
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From: Marie
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Instead they are offering the $150 Air pods?
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Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
In addition, as has been said before elsewhere, they may be removing the
headphone jack this year so they can really wow everyone with something
special next year. As one podcaster pointed out this week, this year the
main topic of conversation is the headphone jack disappearing. While next
year, everyone or most people will have moved on from that and will be
talking about whatever special item they're working on for the 10 year
iPhone. I don't like it any better than other people, but at least they're
helping to ease the transition by including an adaptor in the box this
year. They could just as easily charge $20 or $30 for that $9 adaptor, and
make us buy it as an accessory.
Wayne
Post by Christopher Chaltain
There is at least one Android handset that beat Apple to the punch
when it came to removing the headphone jack, but most of the Android
phones still have a headphone jack.
IMHO, it'll be hard to tell for Apple to tell if the iPhone 7 is being
well received just because they removed the headphone jack. I'm not
sure what removing the headphone jack actually buys anyone right now.
Any improved audio fidelity you get with the Lightning connected
headphones, you would still see even if the headphone jack was still
there. Sure, you may see thinner and more waterproof phones in the
future, but for now, I don't think anyone is seeing the advantages of
Apple ditching the headphone jack except for Apple and peripheral makers.
I think if the iPhone 7 is received well, it'll be for features that
have been added and not those that have been removed.
Post by Regina Alvarado
As I have only seen one Android I do not know if the phone Jack is on
it, but for some maybe this would be a good replacement to the new
Apple? I have been told Talk Back is a pretty good program. I believe
too that because Apple has removed the Jack, if well received by the
general public, it will also disappear from the Android and Windows
phones. I think fortunately or unfortunately we are a subset given
drops of accessibility and as we are now using mainstream devices we
are at the public's mercy. Doesn't make it right, just a fact, and we
want parity with our sighted counterparts, right? Kind of like the
ERA. Put women in combat when some said they should never be. Change
is hard, and I sure understand the deaf/blind problem (with my
hearing deficit(, but there are ways around the problems,
inconvenient yes but not worth waging a war over. Tell Apple
accessibility or hold onto old phones or yell here if you must, but
the earphone jack is gone, and there are much, much more important
problems with Voice-over that Apple should be addressing in my opinion.
reggie & Lex
I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but
it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't
let Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple
couldn't put the headphone jack back in a future device, although
like I said, I would doubt it.
I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone
jack is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my
sighted peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want
to check the lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users
who'll be wishing their new phone had a headphone jack on it that
they've taken for granted on all of their electronics for years.
It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers,
shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are
you just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking
about blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me
to pay to get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision
Apple made.
Post by Christopher Chaltain
Post by Regina Alvarado
I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to
assume that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's
best for me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we
should just be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers
and blind consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should
move on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in
the world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while
listening isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my
phone all that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner,
I'll buy the Belcan thingie.
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Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on
the sales figures. Don’t think so, but 

 Camera is too important
for sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go
back to the old plug.
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come
out by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see
what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to
come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup.
There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of
everything else. That and what type of solution they’re going to
come up with for all the credit card swipers that are so
ubiquitous Appel was actually getting credit yesterday for only
selling the replacement dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows
they’re going to get their pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
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Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
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about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge,
here's the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-
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Flor Lynch
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Apple might dispute that point about audio fidelity, at least judging from
the tone of their presentation on Wednesday, as the lightning port gives out
digital audio rather than analogue audio.

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There is at least one Android handset that beat Apple to the punch when
it came to removing the headphone jack, but most of the Android phones
still have a headphone jack.

IMHO, it'll be hard to tell for Apple to tell if the iPhone 7 is being
well received just because they removed the headphone jack. I'm not sure
what removing the headphone jack actually buys anyone right now. Any
improved audio fidelity you get with the Lightning connected headphones,
you would still see even if the headphone jack was still there. Sure,
you may see thinner and more waterproof phones in the future, but for
now, I don't think anyone is seeing the advantages of Apple ditching the
headphone jack except for Apple and peripheral makers.

I think if the iPhone 7 is received well, it'll be for features that
have been added and not those that have been removed.
Post by Regina Alvarado
As I have only seen one Android I do not know if the phone Jack is on
it, but for some maybe this would be a good replacement to the new
Apple? I have been told Talk Back is a pretty good program. I believe
too that because Apple has removed the Jack, if well received by the
general public, it will also disappear from the Android and Windows
phones. I think fortunately or unfortunately we are a subset given drops
of accessibility and as we are now using mainstream devices we are at
the public's mercy. Doesn't make it right, just a fact, and we want
parity with our sighted counterparts, right? Kind of like the ERA. Put
women in combat when some said they should never be. Change is hard, and
I sure understand the deaf/blind problem (with my hearing deficit(, but
there are ways around the problems, inconvenient yes but not worth
waging a war over. Tell Apple accessibility or hold onto old phones or
yell here if you must, but the earphone jack is gone, and there are
much, much more important problems with Voice-over that Apple should be
addressing in my opinion.
reggie & Lex
I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but
it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't let
Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple couldn't
put the headphone jack back in a future device, although like I said, I
would doubt it.
I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone jack
is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my sighted
peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want to check the
lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users who'll be wishing
their new phone had a headphone jack on it that they've taken for
granted on all of their electronics for years.
It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers,
shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are you
just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking about
blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me to pay to
get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision Apple made.
I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to assume
that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's best for
me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we should just
be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers and blind
consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should move
on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in the
world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while listening
isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my phone all
that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner, I'll buy the
Belcan thingie.
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It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on
the sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important for
sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go
back to the old plug.
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out
by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see
what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to
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There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything
else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with
for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous Appel was
actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement
dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their
pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
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Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
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the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iph
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Christopher Chaltain
2016-09-11 15:10:39 UTC
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I'm not sure I understand your point, but maybe I wasn't clear. I'm sure
you can get higher audio fidelity with a Lightning connected pair of
headphones. My point is that you don't need to remove the headphone jack
to accomplish this. Why can't I use a pair of Lightning connected
headphones even if my phone still has a headphone jack.

I've been called many things over this issue, such as stupid, dumb,
ridiculous, idiotic, pathetic
and a Luddite. I really don't think I'm a Luddite though. To me, it's a
chicken and egg situation. Do you change your device and let the
ecosystem catch up or do you prepare the ecosystem before changing your
device. If you get higher audio fidelity from Lightning connected head
phones then people would buy them and use them even if their device
still had a headphone jack. Audiophiles will flock to better audio
fidelity. Once these head phones are in the market and catching on then
you can remove the head phone jack. As it stands now, I gain nothing by
the removal of the headphone jack except for inconvenience.

I agree the adapter is meant to help bridge this gap with the ecosystem.
I doubt I'll have any problems buying a phone without a headphone jack
in a few years, but right now, I don't see any benefits.
Post by Flor Lynch
Apple might dispute that point about audio fidelity, at least judging
from the tone of their presentation on Wednesday, as the lightning port
gives out digital audio rather than analogue audio.
-----Original Message----- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
There is at least one Android handset that beat Apple to the punch when
it came to removing the headphone jack, but most of the Android phones
still have a headphone jack.
IMHO, it'll be hard to tell for Apple to tell if the iPhone 7 is being
well received just because they removed the headphone jack. I'm not sure
what removing the headphone jack actually buys anyone right now. Any
improved audio fidelity you get with the Lightning connected headphones,
you would still see even if the headphone jack was still there. Sure,
you may see thinner and more waterproof phones in the future, but for
now, I don't think anyone is seeing the advantages of Apple ditching the
headphone jack except for Apple and peripheral makers.
I think if the iPhone 7 is received well, it'll be for features that
have been added and not those that have been removed.
Post by Regina Alvarado
As I have only seen one Android I do not know if the phone Jack is on
it, but for some maybe this would be a good replacement to the new
Apple? I have been told Talk Back is a pretty good program. I believe
too that because Apple has removed the Jack, if well received by the
general public, it will also disappear from the Android and Windows
phones. I think fortunately or unfortunately we are a subset given drops
of accessibility and as we are now using mainstream devices we are at
the public's mercy. Doesn't make it right, just a fact, and we want
parity with our sighted counterparts, right? Kind of like the ERA. Put
women in combat when some said they should never be. Change is hard, and
I sure understand the deaf/blind problem (with my hearing deficit(, but
there are ways around the problems, inconvenient yes but not worth
waging a war over. Tell Apple accessibility or hold onto old phones or
yell here if you must, but the earphone jack is gone, and there are
much, much more important problems with Voice-over that Apple should be
addressing in my opinion.
reggie & Lex
I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but
it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't let
Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple couldn't
put the headphone jack back in a future device, although like I said, I
would doubt it.
I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone jack
is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my sighted
peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want to check the
lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users who'll be wishing
their new phone had a headphone jack on it that they've taken for
granted on all of their electronics for years.
It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers,
shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are you
just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking about
blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me to pay to
get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision Apple made.
I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to assume
that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's best for
me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we should just
be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers and blind
consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should move
on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in the
world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while listening
isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my phone all
that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner, I'll buy the
Belcan thingie.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on
the sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important for
sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go
back to the old plug.
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out
by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see
what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to
come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup.
There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything
else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with
for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous Appel was
actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement
dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their
pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns
about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's
the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iph
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Flor Lynch
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Apple has this thing about space - courage, space and vision, to quote Tim
Cook. . So, they didn't see why another socket was needed for older
headphones now that they've provided audio through their lightning port
instead. I'm just trying to explain Apple's argument, although personally I
don't agree with it. And you're right about the chicken-and-egg situation.
For example, I'm a hearing aid user. No pair of wireless headphones that I
know of, is yet up to the audio compatibility standards of good wired
headphones. Unlike many hearing aid users, I've found a way to use earbuds
with them and get pretty good results. It doesn't look as if AirPods will
fit that bill, if the description of having to be in the ear is accurate.
Yes, I could use the lightningEarPods; but then again I don't like the idea
of not being able easily to charge the phone as I listening to music etc, on
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:10 PM
To: ***@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need

I'm not sure I understand your point, but maybe I wasn't clear. I'm sure
you can get higher audio fidelity with a Lightning connected pair of
headphones. My point is that you don't need to remove the headphone jack
to accomplish this. Why can't I use a pair of Lightning connected
headphones even if my phone still has a headphone jack.

I've been called many things over this issue, such as stupid, dumb,
ridiculous, idiotic, pathetic
and a Luddite. I really don't think I'm a Luddite though. To me, it's a
chicken and egg situation. Do you change your device and let the
ecosystem catch up or do you prepare the ecosystem before changing your
device. If you get higher audio fidelity from Lightning connected head
phones then people would buy them and use them even if their device
still had a headphone jack. Audiophiles will flock to better audio
fidelity. Once these head phones are in the market and catching on then
you can remove the head phone jack. As it stands now, I gain nothing by
the removal of the headphone jack except for inconvenience.

I agree the adapter is meant to help bridge this gap with the ecosystem.
I doubt I'll have any problems buying a phone without a headphone jack
in a few years, but right now, I don't see any benefits.
Post by Flor Lynch
Apple might dispute that point about audio fidelity, at least judging
from the tone of their presentation on Wednesday, as the lightning port
gives out digital audio rather than analogue audio.
-----Original Message----- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
There is at least one Android handset that beat Apple to the punch when
it came to removing the headphone jack, but most of the Android phones
still have a headphone jack.
IMHO, it'll be hard to tell for Apple to tell if the iPhone 7 is being
well received just because they removed the headphone jack. I'm not sure
what removing the headphone jack actually buys anyone right now. Any
improved audio fidelity you get with the Lightning connected headphones,
you would still see even if the headphone jack was still there. Sure,
you may see thinner and more waterproof phones in the future, but for
now, I don't think anyone is seeing the advantages of Apple ditching the
headphone jack except for Apple and peripheral makers.
I think if the iPhone 7 is received well, it'll be for features that
have been added and not those that have been removed.
Post by Regina Alvarado
As I have only seen one Android I do not know if the phone Jack is on
it, but for some maybe this would be a good replacement to the new
Apple? I have been told Talk Back is a pretty good program. I believe
too that because Apple has removed the Jack, if well received by the
general public, it will also disappear from the Android and Windows
phones. I think fortunately or unfortunately we are a subset given drops
of accessibility and as we are now using mainstream devices we are at
the public's mercy. Doesn't make it right, just a fact, and we want
parity with our sighted counterparts, right? Kind of like the ERA. Put
women in combat when some said they should never be. Change is hard, and
I sure understand the deaf/blind problem (with my hearing deficit(, but
there are ways around the problems, inconvenient yes but not worth
waging a war over. Tell Apple accessibility or hold onto old phones or
yell here if you must, but the earphone jack is gone, and there are
much, much more important problems with Voice-over that Apple should be
addressing in my opinion.
reggie & Lex
I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but
it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't let
Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple couldn't
put the headphone jack back in a future device, although like I said, I
would doubt it.
I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone jack
is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my sighted
peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want to check the
lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users who'll be wishing
their new phone had a headphone jack on it that they've taken for
granted on all of their electronics for years.
It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers,
shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are you
just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking about
blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me to pay to
get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision Apple made.
I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to assume
that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's best for
me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we should just
be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers and blind
consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should move
on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in the
world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while listening
isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my phone all
that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner, I'll buy the
Belcan thingie.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on
the sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important for
sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go
back to the old plug.
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out
by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see
what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to
come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup.
There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything
else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with
for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous Appel was
actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement
dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their
pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns
about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's
the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iph
one-7/
Jonathan Mosen
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Flor Lynch
2016-09-11 16:48:47 UTC
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By 'wireless headphones' In this instance, I actually mean Bluetooth
headphones. The other type, that you can plug in, there are good sets of
those that work fine with hearing aids.

-----Original Message-----
From: Flor Lynch
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:08 PM
To: ***@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need

Apple has this thing about space - courage, space and vision, to quote Tim
Cook. . So, they didn't see why another socket was needed for older
headphones now that they've provided audio through their lightning port
instead. I'm just trying to explain Apple's argument, although personally I
don't agree with it. And you're right about the chicken-and-egg situation.
For example, I'm a hearing aid user. No pair of wireless headphones that I
know of, is yet up to the audio compatibility standards of good wired
headphones. Unlike many hearing aid users, I've found a way to use earbuds
with them and get pretty good results. It doesn't look as if AirPods will
fit that bill, if the description of having to be in the ear is accurate.
Yes, I could use the lightningEarPods; but then again I don't like the idea
of not being able easily to charge the phone as I listening to music etc, on
it.

-----Original Message-----
Post by Dave
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:10 PM
To: ***@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need

I'm not sure I understand your point, but maybe I wasn't clear. I'm sure
you can get higher audio fidelity with a Lightning connected pair of
headphones. My point is that you don't need to remove the headphone jack
to accomplish this. Why can't I use a pair of Lightning connected
headphones even if my phone still has a headphone jack.

I've been called many things over this issue, such as stupid, dumb,
ridiculous, idiotic, pathetic
and a Luddite. I really don't think I'm a Luddite though. To me, it's a
chicken and egg situation. Do you change your device and let the
ecosystem catch up or do you prepare the ecosystem before changing your
device. If you get higher audio fidelity from Lightning connected head
phones then people would buy them and use them even if their device
still had a headphone jack. Audiophiles will flock to better audio
fidelity. Once these head phones are in the market and catching on then
you can remove the head phone jack. As it stands now, I gain nothing by
the removal of the headphone jack except for inconvenience.

I agree the adapter is meant to help bridge this gap with the ecosystem.
I doubt I'll have any problems buying a phone without a headphone jack
in a few years, but right now, I don't see any benefits.
Post by Dave
Apple might dispute that point about audio fidelity, at least judging
from the tone of their presentation on Wednesday, as the lightning port
gives out digital audio rather than analogue audio.
-----Original Message----- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
There is at least one Android handset that beat Apple to the punch when
it came to removing the headphone jack, but most of the Android phones
still have a headphone jack.
IMHO, it'll be hard to tell for Apple to tell if the iPhone 7 is being
well received just because they removed the headphone jack. I'm not sure
what removing the headphone jack actually buys anyone right now. Any
improved audio fidelity you get with the Lightning connected headphones,
you would still see even if the headphone jack was still there. Sure,
you may see thinner and more waterproof phones in the future, but for
now, I don't think anyone is seeing the advantages of Apple ditching the
headphone jack except for Apple and peripheral makers.
I think if the iPhone 7 is received well, it'll be for features that
have been added and not those that have been removed.
Post by Regina Alvarado
As I have only seen one Android I do not know if the phone Jack is on
it, but for some maybe this would be a good replacement to the new
Apple? I have been told Talk Back is a pretty good program. I believe
too that because Apple has removed the Jack, if well received by the
general public, it will also disappear from the Android and Windows
phones. I think fortunately or unfortunately we are a subset given drops
of accessibility and as we are now using mainstream devices we are at
the public's mercy. Doesn't make it right, just a fact, and we want
parity with our sighted counterparts, right? Kind of like the ERA. Put
women in combat when some said they should never be. Change is hard, and
I sure understand the deaf/blind problem (with my hearing deficit(, but
there are ways around the problems, inconvenient yes but not worth
waging a war over. Tell Apple accessibility or hold onto old phones or
yell here if you must, but the earphone jack is gone, and there are
much, much more important problems with Voice-over that Apple should be
addressing in my opinion.
reggie & Lex
I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but
it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't let
Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple couldn't
put the headphone jack back in a future device, although like I said, I
would doubt it.
I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone jack
is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my sighted
peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want to check the
lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users who'll be wishing
their new phone had a headphone jack on it that they've taken for
granted on all of their electronics for years.
It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers,
shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are you
just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking about
blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me to pay to
get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision Apple made.
I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to assume
that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's best for
me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we should just
be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers and blind
consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should move
on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in the
world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while listening
isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my phone all
that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner, I'll buy the
Belcan thingie.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on
the sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important for
sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go
back to the old plug.
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was eventually going to come out
by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see
what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to
come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup.
There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of everything
else. That and what type of solution they’re going to come up with
for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous Appel was
actually getting credit yesterday for only selling the replacement
dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going to get their
pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the
box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns
about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's
the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iph
one-7/
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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I Think You're Wrong AsItPertainsTo the HeadphoneJack bein' Gone ForGood

Drastic Reduction IN Sales of Apple's
iPhone7&iPhone7+ could Propel Apple to BringItBack

TimCook IS No SteveJobs & TimCook would
BringItBack, but if this was SteveJobs, Then the
HeadphoneJack WouldBe GoneForGood
JustSayin'
Post by Christopher Chaltain
I suspect you're right that the headphone jack
is gone for good, but it's definitely true if
anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't let
Apple know how much they miss it. There's also
no reason Apple couldn't put the headphone jack
back in a future device, although like I said, I would doubt it.
I'm also not sure how much of my regret over
missing the headphone jack is because I'm blind.
I suppose I use my headphones more than my
sighted peers because I'll tend to grab them
every time I just want to check the lock screen,
but I don't think it's just blind users who'll
be wishing their new phone had a headphone jack
on it that they've taken for granted on all of their electronics for years.
It also sounds like you're saying we, especially
as blind consumers, shouldn't criticize Apple
for a decision they made. I'm curious, are you
just talking about Apple or all companies? Are
you just talking about blind consumers or all
consumers? For how much Apple wants me to pay to
get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to
criticize a decision Apple made. I for one don't
think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going
to assume that they'll never make a mistake and
they always know what's best for me. This isn't
a knock on Apple, but just those who think we
should just be thankful for whatever Apple
decides we as consumers and blind consumers should be happy with.
Post by Larry Lumpkin
Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and
I think we should move on. Apple made that
decision years ago and every blind user in the
world wasn't going to alter that
decision. Charging while listening isn't a big
deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my
phone all that much for calling anyway. If I
need power sooner, I'll buy the Belcan thingie.
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Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats
iPhone 7, 7+ hard on the sales figures. Don’t
think so, but …… Camera is too oo important for sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone
7, maybe the 8 will go back to the old plug.
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was
eventually going to come out by a mainstream
company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for
something that’s not even really a mobile
solution. Curious to see what kind of battery
pack designs these same companies are going to
come up with for those of us who may want or
need that extra backup. There goes another
$40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of
everything else. That and what type of
solution they’re going to come up with for
all the credit card swipers that are so
ubiquitous Appel was actually getting credit
yesterday for only selling the replacement
dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows
they’re going to get their pound of flesh one way or another.
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this
kind of product in the box, but for those who
want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns
about the lack of ability to use wired
headphones and charge, here's the solution.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iph
one-7/
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2016-09-10 21:09:41 UTC
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It's Possible
that Apple's iPhoneSE, which was Released Earlier
ThisYear,2016-Spring2016 WillSurpass its NEW iPhones IN Sales Over the LongRun

But that doesn't NecessarilyMean it's BecauseOf
TheLoss or TheRemoval of its HeadphoneJack

It could simply be SizeAlone

Because SizeMatters

SteveJobs would HaveNever FollowedTrends because SteveJobs CreatedTrends
or
So SteveJobs believes HeDoes

Does AnyOne recall ... SteveJobs sayin' you can
have AnyColor, So long as it's Black
HaHa (smile) HaHa

Personally, Apple's & TimCook's
Rationale-Justification for its Removal of the
HeadphoneJack doesn't HoldWater or Standin'
because Samsung has Proved a MobilePhone can have
a HeadphoneJack & Clickable HomeButton & StillBe WaterResistent&DustResistent
JustSayin'
Post by Terje Strømberg
It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats
iPhone 7, 7+ hard on the sales figures. Don’t
think so, but …… Camera is too im important for sighted people.
Take care
Post by Donald Moore
You know, if enough people forego the iPhone
7, maybe the 8 will go back to the old plug.
Post by Donald Moore
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
You figured that something like this was
eventually going to come out by a mainstream
company or via a kickstarter campaign.
Post by Donald Moore
Off putting though that you have to shell
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even really a mobile solution. Curious to see
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of us who may want or need that extra backup.
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or whatever on top of everything else. That
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come up with for all the credit card swipers that are so ubiquitous
Post by Donald Moore
Appel was actually getting credit yesterday
for only selling the replacement dongles for
$9.00, but I guess this shows they’re going
to get their pound of flesh one way or another.
Post by Donald Moore
Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway.
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM
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Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need
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http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
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