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Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
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Neal Ewers
2014-09-26 02:20:14 UTC
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That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.



Neal





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Nicki and others,



I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input.



1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.



2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.



3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.



Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille.



4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.

5.

6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH



Sandy
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Sharonda Greenlaw
2014-09-26 02:36:42 UTC
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this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
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Sharonda
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Post by Neal Ewers
That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.
Neal
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Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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Rose Combs
2014-09-26 17:40:08 UTC
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Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it.





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this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille

!

Sharonda

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On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers <***@ravenswood.org> wrote:

That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.



Neal





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Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out



Nicki and others,



I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input.



1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.



2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.



3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.



Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille.



4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.

5.

6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH



Sandy
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Alex Hall
2014-09-26 17:45:38 UTC
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Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it.
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.
Neal
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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Teresa Cochran
2014-09-26 18:24:17 UTC
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I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're different, but similar enough.

Teresa

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Post by Alex Hall
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it.
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.
Neal
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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Deb Lewis
2014-09-26 18:55:53 UTC
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Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
at some future time.
Post by Teresa Cochran
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
Post by Alex Hall
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
have never tried it.
Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
the device.
Neal
Behalf Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in
table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not
echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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Regina Alvarado
2014-09-27 17:45:49 UTC
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Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me.


reggie and Allegra

On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
at some future time.
Post by Teresa Cochran
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
Post by Alex Hall
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
have never tried it.
Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
the device.
Neal
Behalf Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in
table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not
echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch between 6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only).
Post by Regina Alvarado
Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me.
reggie and Allegra
Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
at some future time.
Post by Teresa Cochran
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
Post by Alex Hall
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
have never tried it.
Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
the device.
Neal
Behalf Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in
table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not
echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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This has been yet another benefit of the 6 Plus for me. When using table top mode, it really feels, in terms of spacing, like you're Brailling on a Perkins. Really digging the wider keys.
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Post by Alex Hall
Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch between 6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only).
Post by Regina Alvarado
Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me.
reggie and Allegra
Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
at some future time.
Post by Teresa Cochran
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
Post by Alex Hall
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
have never tried it.
Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
the device.
Neal
Behalf Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in
table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not
echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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Woody Anna Dresner
2014-09-27 19:25:00 UTC
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Hi,

You can switch between 6- and 8-dot braille with a 3-finger flick right on the iPhone as well as the iPad.

HTH,
Anna
Post by Jonathan Mosen
This has been yet another benefit of the 6 Plus for me. When using table top mode, it really feels, in terms of spacing, like you're Brailling on a Perkins. Really digging the wider keys.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org
Post by Alex Hall
Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch between 6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only).
Post by Regina Alvarado
Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me.
reggie and Allegra
Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
at some future time.
Post by Teresa Cochran
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
Post by Alex Hall
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
have never tried it.
Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
the device.
Neal
Behalf Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in
table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not
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write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
again. HTH
Sandy
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Sorry, 8 dot Braille for screen input is not available on the iPhone
unless it is on the 6 or 6+ I do not know since I only have a 4s and
have no interest in upgrading right now. You do however get 8 dot
Braille screen input on the iPad including the Mini.


Sent from my laptop
Post by Woody Anna Dresner
Hi,
You can switch between 6- and 8-dot braille with a 3-finger flick right on the iPhone as well as the iPad.
HTH,
Anna
Post by Jonathan Mosen
This has been yet another benefit of the 6 Plus for me. When using table top mode, it really feels, in terms of spacing, like you're Brailling on a Perkins. Really digging the wider keys.
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Post by Alex Hall
Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch between 6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only).
Post by Regina Alvarado
Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me.
reggie and Allegra
Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
at some future time.
Post by Teresa Cochran
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
Post by Alex Hall
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
have never tried it.
Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
the device.
Neal
Behalf Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in
table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not
echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
again. HTH
Sandy
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Teresa Cochran
2014-09-28 11:21:55 UTC
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Braille input is actually available on any device that can run iOS8. I''m using Braille input on my iPod Touch 5G.

Teresa

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Sorry, 8 dot Braille for screen input is not available on the iPhone unless it is on the 6 or 6+ I do not know since I only have a 4s and have no interest in upgrading right now. You do however get 8 dot Braille screen input on the iPad including the Mini.
Sent from my laptop
Post by Woody Anna Dresner
Hi,
You can switch between 6- and 8-dot braille with a 3-finger flick right on the iPhone as well as the iPad.
HTH,
Anna
Post by Jonathan Mosen
This has been yet another benefit of the 6 Plus for me. When using table top mode, it really feels, in terms of spacing, like you're Brailling on a Perkins. Really digging the wider keys.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org
Post by Alex Hall
Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch between 6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only).
Post by Regina Alvarado
Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me.
reggie and Allegra
Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
at some future time.
Post by Teresa Cochran
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
Post by Alex Hall
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
have never tried it.
Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
the device.
Neal
Behalf Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in
table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not
echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
again. HTH
Sandy
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3-finger swipe down.

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Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This
is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me.


reggie and Allegra

On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but when I
actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often says I've got
four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I have only three
which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the upper case but instead of
the upper case I it always enters 9 for example. Practicing several hours
I've made about three readable words. definitely not bothering to do this
for my unlock code, LOL. So I'm moving on to better ways of using my time
and hoping it's better at some future time.
Post by Teresa Cochran
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy
is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this
method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays
and on paper.
Post by Teresa Cochran
They're different, but similar enough.
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and
seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
Post by Alex Hall
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you
said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in
braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes
entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to
really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not
be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving
it a shot to see for sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old
one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using
an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser
but, I have never tried it.
Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille !
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back
to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were
writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course,
note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it
interesting that you have both on the device.
Neal
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille
setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in
table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does
not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point
so I write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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I'm right there with you, Deb. My gestures still aren't always recognized when I use the onscreen Braille keyboard. And yesterday, while I was talking on the phone using my Bluetooth headset, I tried to respond to a text message using the onscreen Braille keyboard, and Bluetooth crashed, routing the call to the handset. I can reproduce this every time. I'm telling you, something funky is going on here.

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Post by Deb Lewis
Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
at some future time.
Post by Teresa Cochran
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.
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Post by Alex Hall
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
have never tried it.
Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
the device.
Neal
Behalf Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in
table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not
echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
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Post by Teresa Cochran
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're different, but similar enough.
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Post by Alex Hall
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it.
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.
Neal
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.

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Post by Cheryl Homiak
Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
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Post by Teresa Cochran
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're different, but similar enough.
Teresa
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Post by Alex Hall
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it.
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
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That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.
Neal
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Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille.
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I find that the ergonomic design of tabletop mode throws me off, and doesn't feel exactly like a Perkins. Away mode has the three vertical dots in a straight line, and I find that easier, despite the odd placement. I wanted to learn both methods, and I'll still practice with both, though.

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Post by christopher hallsworth
Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.
Sent from my Macbook Pro
Post by Cheryl Homiak
Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
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Post by Teresa Cochran
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're different, but similar enough.
Teresa
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Post by Alex Hall
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it.
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.
Neal
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Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I
get. Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds
whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would
have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never
been particularly adept at that.





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Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on
there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite
happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.


Sent from my Macbook Pro



On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak <***@icloud.com> wrote:





Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
--
Cheryl



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I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

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His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

"This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness."

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)









On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran <***@me.com> wrote:





I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.



Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks


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***@icloud.com> wrote:

Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs < <mailto:***@q.com>
***@q.com> wrote:





Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and
a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen
braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never
tried it.





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this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille

!

Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes


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That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the
device.



Neal





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Nicki and others,



I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned
from others that helped me with the braille input.



1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right.
The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your
rotor follows the edit field around.



2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.



3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.



Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in
unconstructed Braille.



4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.

5.

6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
again. HTH



Sandy
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Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more
like a slate and stylus.



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The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I
get. Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds
whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would
have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never
been particularly adept at that.





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Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on
there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite
happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.


Sent from my Macbook Pro



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Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
--
Cheryl



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"This I call to mind,

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The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness."

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I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.



Teresa

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with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks


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Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.

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Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and
a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen
braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never
tried it.





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this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille

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Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes


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That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the
device.



Neal





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Nicki and others,



I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned
from others that helped me with the braille input.



1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right.
The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your
rotor follows the edit field around.



2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.



3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.



Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in
unconstructed Braille.



4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.

5.

6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
again. HTH



Sandy
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Cheryl Homiak
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Absolutely. Using tabletop mode is more like using a braille writer and using away mode is more like using a slate and stylus unless somebody has found a different way of placing fingers than I have found.
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Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more like a slate and stylus.
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I get. Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never been particularly adept at that.
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM
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Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.
Sent from my Macbook Pro
Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
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The steadfast love of the Lord
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his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're different, but similar enough.
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it.
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
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Sharonda
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That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.
Neal
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Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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Hi all. I'm writing this with braille mode. Thee space is a little quirky, but my goodness itworks! -. iPad
Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more like a slate and stylus.
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I get. Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never been particularly adept at that.
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Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.
Sent from my Macbook Pro
Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
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I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
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His joy for my despairing tears!
"This I call to mind,
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're different, but similar enough.
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it.
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
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Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.
Neal
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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Oddly, and blessedly for me; the fingers used for the dots, remain the
same in both. Good job I was brought up on the old slate mind so I can work
it out everywhichway.

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Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:52 PM
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Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more
like a slate and stylus.



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Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM
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The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I
get. Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds
whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would
have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never
been particularly adept at that.





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Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM
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Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on
there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite
happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.


Sent from my Macbook Pro



On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak <***@icloud.com
<mailto:***@icloud.com> > wrote:



Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
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I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

"This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness."

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)









On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran <***@me.com
<mailto:***@me.com> > wrote:



I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.



Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall < <mailto:***@icloud.com>
***@icloud.com> wrote:

Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs < <mailto:***@q.com>
***@q.com> wrote:



Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and
a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen
braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never
tried it.





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<mailto:***@googlegroups.com> mailto:***@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
To: <mailto:***@googlegroups.com> ***@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out



this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille

!

Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes


On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers < <mailto:***@ravenswood.org>
***@ravenswood.org> wrote:

That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the
device.



Neal





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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
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Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out



Nicki and others,



I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned
from others that helped me with the braille input.



1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right.
The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your
rotor follows the edit field around.



2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.



3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.



Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in
unconstructed Braille.



4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.

5.

6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
again. HTH



Sandy
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Rose Combs
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Well I will eventually figure it out I hope. I have been fairly busy or too
tired to do anything. They tell me it will pass but at this point not sure.






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Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more
like a slate and stylus.



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The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I
get. Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds
whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would
have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never
been particularly adept at that.





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Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on
there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite
happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.


Sent from my Macbook Pro



On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak <***@icloud.com> wrote:



Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
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On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran <***@me.com> wrote:



I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.



Teresa

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On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall < <mailto:***@icloud.com>
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Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.

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Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and
a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen
braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never
tried it.





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this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille

!

Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes


On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers < <mailto:***@ravenswood.org>
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That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the
device.



Neal





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Nicki and others,



I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned
from others that helped me with the braille input.



1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right.
The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your
rotor follows the edit field around.



2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.



3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.



Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in
unconstructed Braille.



4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.

5.

6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
again. HTH



Sandy
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How do you type in table top mode. How do you switch it to table top mode
once you activate the braille screen input?
And how do you keep it from switching to away mode?
Thanks.
Jerry Mader

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Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
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feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
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--
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(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




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I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.

Teresa

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On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall <***@icloud.com> wrote:



Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs <***@q.com> wrote:


Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and
a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen
braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never
tried it.





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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
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Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes


On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers <***@ravenswood.org> wrote:

That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the
device.

Neal


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Nicki and others,

I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned
from others that helped me with the braille input.

1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right.
The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your
rotor follows the edit field around.

2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.

3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.

Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in
unconstructed Braille.

4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
again. HTH

Sandy
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Christopher Hallsworth
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Just place your device on a flat surface. I use my knee. It will switch
automatically to tabletop mode. It works like the perkins.

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Post by Jerry Mader
How do you type in table top mode. How do you switch it to table top mode
once you activate the braille screen input?
And how do you keep it from switching to away mode?
Thanks.
Jerry Mader
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Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
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When going into table top mode, does it matter if the home button is on the
right or the left, or is it nonspecific?

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Just place your device on a flat surface. I use my knee. It will switch
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Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu
Post by Jerry Mader
How do you type in table top mode. How do you switch it to table top
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And how do you keep it from switching to away mode?
Thanks.
Jerry Mader
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Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using
a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins
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I tried it both ways and it worked. But I hadn't had the dots all mixed up.
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When going into table top mode, does it matter if the home button is on the
right or the left, or is it nonspecific?

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Just place your device on a flat surface. I use my knee. It will switch
automatically to tabletop mode. It works like the perkins.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu
Post by Jerry Mader
How do you type in table top mode. How do you switch it to table top
mode once you activate the braille screen input?
And how do you keep it from switching to away mode?
Thanks.
Jerry Mader
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Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using
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Nicki Keck
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I tried screen away mode because that was what the podcaster was doing, but
I, like you, Cheryl, prefer tabletop mode, now that I have it working. I
never was good at using a slate and stylus, so Perkins is the way to go for
me.



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Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
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On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran <***@me.com
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I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.



Teresa

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with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall < <mailto:***@icloud.com>
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Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs < <mailto:***@q.com>
***@q.com> wrote:





Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and
a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen
braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never
tried it.





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this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille

!

Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes


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That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the
device.



Neal





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Nicki and others,



I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned
from others that helped me with the braille input.



1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right.
The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your
rotor follows the edit field around.



2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.



3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.



Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in
unconstructed Braille.



4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.

5.

6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
again. HTH



Sandy
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Well I will look at it but it may not be for a couple of weeks I've got a lot of things going on right now

Sent from my iPhone Rose Combs
Post by Alex Hall
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
Post by Rose Combs
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it.
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
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Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.
Neal
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Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Nicki and others,
I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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Cheryl. This makes a lot of sense. I wondered if you could get to something
that was like the Perkins braille writer. That is what I am used to. I'm not
sure who came up with the flat V termonology, but it totally confused me.
And I don't think I would like away mode. Oh, I could get use to it, but it
would appear that there is an easier way.



This may make the bug of not being able to use a blue tooth keyboard a
little less frustating, because now, there is a choice that appears to work.



Thanks for taking the time to write this all out.



Neal



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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:09 PM
To: ***@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out



Okay, I've experimented with this in the light of people saying the dots
stay backward in tabletop mode and here's what I found. But it's very
confusing to try to write correctly so it has taken me a long time to put
this down to try to communicate. I don't know if this is how it is
"supposed" to work but this is what works for me for tabletop mode.



If I have the phone on my lap flat with the home button on my right and
tturn the phone away from me so the home button and screen face out and then
turn it back toward me, , my dots are backward. In other words, goign from
left to right along the long edge of the phone that is closest to me, I will
have 6 5 4 1 2 3, with 3 nearest the home button. If I put three fingers of
my left hand down from left to right toward the left end of the long side
but going from left to right on the long side, I will get an underscore. If
I put three fingers of my right hand going along the long side further
right, I will get an l. If instead, I hold the phone in my lap, again with
the home button to my right and turn the phone so the home button is facing
me, still on the right, then turn it back to tabletop, the dots from left to
right are 3 2 1 4 5 6 with 6 nearest the home button. Then putting three
fingers of my left hand down from left to right on the long side that is
toward me gives me an l where putting three fingers down on that long side
but further right gives me an underscore. Brailling then feels so much like
brailling on a braille writer that I forget and want to do a space in the
middle of the long side by touching there where a space key would be on a
braille writer. This of course is wrong and instead usually puts an a where
I wanted a space.



Here's the same equation with the home button on the left:

If I hold the phone flat on my lap with the home button to the left, turn it
away so the home button is away from me but still on the left, and then turn
it back flat in tabletop mode, again, i have from left to right: 6 5 4 1 2 3
with 3 the furthest away from the home button. If, however, I hold it on my
lap with the home button to the left and turn the phone toward me so the
home button and screen are facing me, then turn the phone back flat, the
dots are then as they should be from left to right: 3 2 1 4 5 6, which is
the way they are on a braille writer except that the braille writer would
have the space key between the 1 and the 4.



I have done this several times and it appears to be consistent. So in other
words, what works for me if I want to do tabletop is to hold the phone flat
on my lap turn it toward me instead of away from me till it says away mode
and then put it flat into tabletop mode again. The dots are then on the long
side closest to me and not on the two ends of the phone.



If I am understanding rightly though I haven't tried to do away mode much,
in away mode your dots are at the opposit ends of the phone so that 1 2 and
3 would be on the left short side and 4 5 6 are on the right short side
which of course does not feel like brailling with a Perkins braille writer
at least not for me.



Hth.
--
Cheryl



I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

"This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness."

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)









On Sep 25, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Sandy Finley <***@gmail.com> wrote:





Nicki and others,



I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned
from others that helped me with the braille input.



1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right.
The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your
rotor follows the edit field around.



2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.



3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.



Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in
unconstructed Braille.



4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.

5.

6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
again. HTH



Sandy
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Cheryl Homiak
2014-09-26 04:32:07 UTC
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Yw!

There actually is a way to deal with bluetooth keyboards too which has a thread on this list if you can go back and find it. Sorry that I don't have time to go back and reiterate it or repost it right now.
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and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
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they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
Cheryl. This makes a lot of sense. I wondered if you could get to something that was like the Perkins braille writer. That is what I am used to. I'm not sure who came up with the flat V termonology, but it totally confused me. And I don't think I would like away mode. Oh, I could get use to it, but it would appear that there is an easier way.
This may make the bug of not being able to use a blue tooth keyboard a little less frustating, because now, there is a choice that appears to work.
Thanks for taking the time to write this all out.
Neal
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Okay, I've experimented with this in the light of people saying the dots stay backward in tabletop mode and here's what I found. But it's very confusing to try to write correctly so it has taken me a long time to put this down to try to communicate. I don't know if this is how it is "supposed" to work but this is what works for me for tabletop mode.
If I have the phone on my lap flat with the home button on my right and tturn the phone away from me so the home button and screen face out and then turn it back toward me, , my dots are backward. In other words, goign from left to right along the long edge of the phone that is closest to me, I will have 6 5 4 1 2 3, with 3 nearest the home button. If I put three fingers of my left hand down from left to right toward the left end of the long side but going from left to right on the long side, I will get an underscore. If I put three fingers of my right hand going along the long side further right, I will get an l. If instead, I hold the phone in my lap, again with the home button to my right and turn the phone so the home button is facing me, still on the right, then turn it back to tabletop, the dots from left to right are 3 2 1 4 5 6 with 6 nearest the home button. Then putting three fingers of my left hand down from left to right on the long side that is toward me gives me an l where putting three fingers down on that long side but further right gives me an underscore. Brailling then feels so much like brailling on a braille writer that I forget and want to do a space in the middle of the long side by touching there where a space key would be on a braille writer. This of course is wrong and instead usually puts an a where I wanted a space.
If I hold the phone flat on my lap with the home button to the left, turn it away so the home button is away from me but still on the left, and then turn it back flat in tabletop mode, again, i have from left to right: 6 5 4 1 2 3 with 3 the furthest away from the home button. If, however, I hold it on my lap with the home button to the left and turn the phone toward me so the home button and screen are facing me, then turn the phone back flat, the dots are then as they should be from left to right: 3 2 1 4 5 6, which is the way they are on a braille writer except that the braille writer would have the space key between the 1 and the 4.
I have done this several times and it appears to be consistent. So in other words, what works for me if I want to do tabletop is to hold the phone flat on my lap turn it toward me instead of away from me till it says away mode and then put it flat into tabletop mode again. The dots are then on the long side closest to me and not on the two ends of the phone.
If I am understanding rightly though I haven't tried to do away mode much, in away mode your dots are at the opposit ends of the phone so that 1 2 and 3 would be on the left short side and 4 5 6 are on the right short side which of course does not feel like brailling with a Perkins braille writer at least not for me.
Hth.
--
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I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
His joy for my despairing tears!
"This I call to mind,
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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Yes, I have that thread. I'll try that as well.



Thanks.



Neal





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Yw!



There actually is a way to deal with bluetooth keyboards too which has a
thread on this list if you can go back and find it. Sorry that I don't have
time to go back and reiterate it or repost it right now.
--
Cheryl



I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

"This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness."

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)









On Sep 25, 2014, at 11:27 PM, Neal Ewers <***@ravenswood.org> wrote:





Cheryl. This makes a lot of sense. I wondered if you could get to something
that was like the Perkins braille writer. That is what I am used to. I'm not
sure who came up with the flat V termonology, but it totally confused me.
And I don't think I would like away mode. Oh, I could get use to it, but it
would appear that there is an easier way.



This may make the bug of not being able to use a blue tooth keyboard a
little less frustating, because now, there is a choice that appears to work.



Thanks for taking the time to write this all out.



Neal



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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:09 PM
To: <mailto:***@googlegroups.com> ***@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out



Okay, I've experimented with this in the light of people saying the dots
stay backward in tabletop mode and here's what I found. But it's very
confusing to try to write correctly so it has taken me a long time to put
this down to try to communicate. I don't know if this is how it is
"supposed" to work but this is what works for me for tabletop mode.



If I have the phone on my lap flat with the home button on my right and
tturn the phone away from me so the home button and screen face out and then
turn it back toward me, , my dots are backward. In other words, goign from
left to right along the long edge of the phone that is closest to me, I will
have 6 5 4 1 2 3, with 3 nearest the home button. If I put three fingers of
my left hand down from left to right toward the left end of the long side
but going from left to right on the long side, I will get an underscore. If
I put three fingers of my right hand going along the long side further
right, I will get an l. If instead, I hold the phone in my lap, again with
the home button to my right and turn the phone so the home button is facing
me, still on the right, then turn it back to tabletop, the dots from left to
right are 3 2 1 4 5 6 with 6 nearest the home button. Then putting three
fingers of my left hand down from left to right on the long side that is
toward me gives me an l where putting three fingers down on that long side
but further right gives me an underscore. Brailling then feels so much like
brailling on a braille writer that I forget and want to do a space in the
middle of the long side by touching there where a space key would be on a
braille writer. This of course is wrong and instead usually puts an a where
I wanted a space.



Here's the same equation with the home button on the left:

If I hold the phone flat on my lap with the home button to the left, turn it
away so the home button is away from me but still on the left, and then turn
it back flat in tabletop mode, again, i have from left to right: 6 5 4 1 2 3
with 3 the furthest away from the home button. If, however, I hold it on my
lap with the home button to the left and turn the phone toward me so the
home button and screen are facing me, then turn the phone back flat, the
dots are then as they should be from left to right: 3 2 1 4 5 6, which is
the way they are on a braille writer except that the braille writer would
have the space key between the 1 and the 4.



I have done this several times and it appears to be consistent. So in other
words, what works for me if I want to do tabletop is to hold the phone flat
on my lap turn it toward me instead of away from me till it says away mode
and then put it flat into tabletop mode again. The dots are then on the long
side closest to me and not on the two ends of the phone.



If I am understanding rightly though I haven't tried to do away mode much,
in away mode your dots are at the opposit ends of the phone so that 1 2 and
3 would be on the left short side and 4 5 6 are on the right short side
which of course does not feel like brailling with a Perkins braille writer
at least not for me.



Hth.
--
Cheryl



I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

"This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness."

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)









On Sep 25, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Sandy Finley < <mailto:***@gmail.com>
***@gmail.com> wrote:






Nicki and others,



I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned
from others that helped me with the braille input.



1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right.
The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your
rotor follows the edit field around.



2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table
mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.



3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.



Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo
characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in
unconstructed Braille.



4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.

5.

6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
again. HTH



Sandy
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I have done it the triditional way for so long, I don't know if I can even wrap my head around this method. I am use to having 1 2 3 from right to left on the left side, and 4 5 6 from left to right on the right side with the space bar in the middle. I will try it more when I get my 6plus.

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Yw!
There actually is a way to deal with bluetooth keyboards too which has a thread on this list if you can go back and find it. Sorry that I don't have time to go back and reiterate it or repost it right now.
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Cheryl. This makes a lot of sense. I wondered if you could get to something that was like the Perkins braille writer. That is what I am used to. I'm not sure who came up with the flat V termonology, but it totally confused me. And I don't think I would like away mode. Oh, I could get use to it, but it would appear that there is an easier way.
This may make the bug of not being able to use a blue tooth keyboard a little less frustating, because now, there is a choice that appears to work.
Thanks for taking the time to write this all out.
Neal
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
Okay, I've experimented with this in the light of people saying the dots stay backward in tabletop mode and here's what I found. But it's very confusing to try to write correctly so it has taken me a long time to put this down to try to communicate. I don't know if this is how it is "supposed" to work but this is what works for me for tabletop mode.
If I have the phone on my lap flat with the home button on my right and tturn the phone away from me so the home button and screen face out and then turn it back toward me, , my dots are backward. In other words, goign from left to right along the long edge of the phone that is closest to me, I will have 6 5 4 1 2 3, with 3 nearest the home button. If I put three fingers of my left hand down from left to right toward the left end of the long side but going from left to right on the long side, I will get an underscore. If I put three fingers of my right hand going along the long side further right, I will get an l. If instead, I hold the phone in my lap, again with the home button to my right and turn the phone so the home button is facing me, still on the right, then turn it back to tabletop, the dots from left to right are 3 2 1 4 5 6 with 6 nearest the home button. Then putting three fingers of my left hand down from left to right on the long side that is toward me gives me an l where putting three fingers down on that long side but further right gives me an underscore. Brailling then feels so much like brailling on a braille writer that I forget and want to do a space in the middle of the long side by touching there where a space key would be on a braille writer. This of course is wrong and instead usually puts an a where I wanted a space.
If I hold the phone flat on my lap with the home button to the left, turn it away so the home button is away from me but still on the left, and then turn it back flat in tabletop mode, again, i have from left to right: 6 5 4 1 2 3 with 3 the furthest away from the home button. If, however, I hold it on my lap with the home button to the left and turn the phone toward me so the home button and screen are facing me, then turn the phone back flat, the dots are then as they should be from left to right: 3 2 1 4 5 6, which is the way they are on a braille writer except that the braille writer would have the space key between the 1 and the 4.
I have done this several times and it appears to be consistent. So in other words, what works for me if I want to do tabletop is to hold the phone flat on my lap turn it toward me instead of away from me till it says away mode and then put it flat into tabletop mode again. The dots are then on the long side closest to me and not on the two ends of the phone.
If I am understanding rightly though I haven't tried to do away mode much, in away mode your dots are at the opposit ends of the phone so that 1 2 and 3 would be on the left short side and 4 5 6 are on the right short side which of course does not feel like brailling with a Perkins braille writer at least not for me.
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Nicki and others,
I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input.
1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around.
2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille.
4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
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6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH
Sandy
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