Discussion:
touch typing with ios8
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Jed Barton
2014-09-17 21:23:38 UTC
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Hey guys,
I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be hiding?
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Chuck Dean
2014-09-17 21:29:25 UTC
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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the
rotor.

Chuck
Post by Jed Barton
Hey guys,
I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be hiding?
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Jennie Facer
2014-09-17 21:31:16 UTC
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What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen

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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
Chuck
Post by Jed Barton
Hey guys,
I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
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Robert Doc Wright
2014-09-17 21:50:59 UTC
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I'm curious about direct touch typing.
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What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen

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On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Chuck Dean <***@icloud.com> wrote:


Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.


Chuck

On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys,
I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be hiding?


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Sieghard Weitzel
2014-09-17 22:34:07 UTC
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Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the
letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type
rather than just lifting your finger.



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I'm curious about direct touch typing.

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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8



What is the interactive notifications all about?

Thank you so much!

Jen


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On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Chuck Dean <***@icloud.com
<mailto:***@icloud.com> > wrote:

Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the
rotor.



Chuck

On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote:

Hey guys,
I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be hiding?
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Jenny Wood
2014-09-17 23:47:40 UTC
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Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)

Jenny
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.
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I'm curious about direct touch typing.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen
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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
Chuck
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I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
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Jonathan Mosen
2014-09-18 01:06:06 UTC
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Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my 6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed you way up.
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Post by Jenny Wood
Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)
Jenny
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
I'm curious about direct touch typing.
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen
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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
Chuck
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I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
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Jenny Wood
2014-09-18 02:37:16 UTC
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Hi Jonathan,

My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself, I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing" now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone, which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.

Jenny
Post by Jonathan Mosen
Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my 6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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http://Mosen.org
Post by Jenny Wood
Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)
Jenny
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
I'm curious about direct touch typing.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen
TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
Chuck
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I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
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Jonathan Mosen
2014-09-18 02:58:58 UTC
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Absolutely, while I think people are justifiably annoyed that Apple accessibility is under-resourced, I applaud them for always finding innovative ways to help us get data into these devices more efficiently. Some of them, like handwriting and direct touch typing, are innovative.
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Post by Jenny Wood
Hi Jonathan,
My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself, I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing" now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone, which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.
Jenny
Post by Jonathan Mosen
Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my 6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>
Post by Jenny Wood
Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)
Jenny
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
I'm curious about direct touch typing.
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen
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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
Chuck
Hey guys,
I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
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how does direct typing differ from touch typing?





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From: ***@googlegroups.com [mailto:***@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Wood
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:37
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8



Hi Jonathan,



My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he pointed out something I
had long since forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their keyboard when
they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or not, they are actually watching the
output of what they are typing on the screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and
familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and neighbor who,
I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone. She
most definitely isn't watching what she is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each
keystroke simply can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself, I know
exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing" now since I was in the third
grade or so. I have longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much
because I just have an overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe
I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone, which doesn't have nearly
as much space in which to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing
function with one or two fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning
curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a
virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place,
and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is
cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me and braille input, I'll
stick to the braille display.



Jenny





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Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first
started using this feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am
starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my 6 Plus. But there's
definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to learn.

Direct typing is a great reason to have a SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the
combination can speed you way up.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>



On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny Wood <***@gmail.com> wrote:



Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another.
Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few
mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up
dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more
naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud
Apple for giving us more of them. :-)



Jenny





On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <***@live.ca> wrote:





Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it
takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.



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I'm curious about direct touch typing.

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What is the interactive notifications all about?

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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.



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Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.

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how does direct typing differ from touch typing?





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Hi Jonathan,



My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself, I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing" now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone, which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.



Jenny





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Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my 6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to learn.

Direct typing is a great reason to have a SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed you way up.

Jonathan Mosen

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On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny Wood <***@gmail.com> wrote:



Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)



Jenny





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Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.



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I'm curious about direct touch typing.

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What is the interactive notifications all about?

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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.



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Thanks for this. I couldn't quite figure out how this worked with what I had
read. This would solve two problems. You don't have to lift your finger up
to do a double letter. And you don't have to worry about ending the typing
session and dragging your finger off the keyboard lest you enter whatever
character your finger was on. Since a touch with another finger is needed,
you just lift your finger up and nothing happens.



Very nice.



Neal



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Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter and lift your finger to
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how does direct typing differ from touch typing?





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Hi Jonathan,



My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he
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memory and familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have
a sighted friend and neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed
record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely
isn't watching what she is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies
each keystroke simply can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had
usable vision once myself, I know exactly what he is talking about, because
I have been "touch typing" now since I was in the third grade or so. I have
longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much
because I just have an overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but
because I honestly believe I could type more quickly and efficiently that
way. Even on the iPhone, which doesn't have nearly as much space in which
to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing
function with one or two fingers at a time. It's just like anything else,
it comes with a learning curve, and as always, it's not for everyone.
Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard,
as I just can't get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place,
and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I
think the concept is cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to
it. :-) As for me and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.



Jenny





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Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch typing absolutely rocks on an iPad,
and when I first started using this feature three months ago, I couldn't
imagine using it on my phone. Now I am starting to, and I suspect it will be
used even more regularly when I get my 6 Plus. But there's definitely a
knack to it and it may take a while to learn.

Direct typing is a great reason to have a SpeedDots screen protector. It
really helps and the combination can speed you way up.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>



On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny Wood <***@gmail.com> wrote:



Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next
best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct
touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first
three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up
dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial
orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just
that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them.
:-)



Jenny





On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <***@live.ca> wrote:



Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the
letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type
rather than just lifting your finger.



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I'm curious about direct touch typing.

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What is the interactive notifications all about?

Thank you so much!

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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the
rotor.



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You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish this I think.
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Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.
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how does direct typing differ from touch typing?
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Hi Jonathan,
My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself, I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing" now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone, which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.
Jenny
Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my 6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to learn.
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Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)
Jenny
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.
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I'm curious about direct touch typing.
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What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
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In my response to someone, I must have been thinking of something else. What a bummer!!

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You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish this I think.




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Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.

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Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8


how does direct typing differ from touch typing?


Ray T. Mahorney
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

Hi Jonathan,

My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself, I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing" now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone, which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.

Jenny


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Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my 6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny Wood <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)

Jenny


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Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.

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I'm curious about direct touch typing.
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Chuck Dean <***@icloud.com> wrote:

Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.

Chuck

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Yes, you were. You were thinking of the standard typing mode, where you can either double-tap each letter, or split-tap it.


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You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish this I think.
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Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.
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how does direct typing differ from touch typing?
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Hi Jonathan,
My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don’t even look at their keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn’t watching what she is typing, and the “clicking” sound that accompanies each keystroke simply can’t keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself, I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been “touch typing” now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an overwhelming desire to “be” like the sighted, but because I honestly believe I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone, which doesn’t have nearly as much space in which to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two fingers at a time. It’s just like anything else, it comes with a learning curve, and as always, it’s not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can’t get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me and braille input, I’ll stick to the braille display.
Jenny
Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my 6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed you way up.
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Actually, you might be surprised. What’s useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it’s a pretty neat option. But it’s just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)
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Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.
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I'm curious about direct touch typing.
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What is the interactive notifications all about?
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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
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Direct typing is intriguing to me, but I've experienced one major setbck. If I have my iPod set to direct typing, it defaults to standard typing for entering the passcode. I definitely would prefer touch typing or direct typing for this. I don't care for standard typing. So I've switched back to touch typing but will keep experimenting with the rotor.

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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish this I think.
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Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8
how does direct typing differ from touch typing?
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
Hi Jonathan,
My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don’t even look at their keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn’t watching what she is typing, and the “clicking” sound that accompanies each keystroke simply can’t keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself, I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been “touch typing” now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an overwhelming desire to “be” like the sighted, but because I honestly believe I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone, which doesn’t have nearly as much space in which to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two fingers at a time. It’s just like anything else, it comes with a learning curve, and as always, it’s not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can’t get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me and braille input, I’ll stick to the braille display.
Jenny
Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my 6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
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Actually, you might be surprised. What’s useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it’s a pretty neat option. But it’s just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)
Jenny
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
I'm curious about direct touch typing.
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What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
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The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button is for.

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You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish this I think.
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
Hi Jonathan,
My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself, I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing" now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone, which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.
Jenny
Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my 6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
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Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)
Jenny
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.
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I'm curious about direct touch typing.
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What is the interactive notifications all about?
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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
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i swear by touch typing. The simplest way to describe it is find the letter you want and let up on the letter and it adds it. I also have a keyboard that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it and I don't like it.
Post by Shawn Krasniuk
The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button is for.
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Post by Cheryl Homiak
You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish this I think.
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Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.
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how does direct typing differ from touch typing?
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
Hi Jonathan,
My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself, I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing" now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone, which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.
Jenny
Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my 6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
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Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)
Jenny
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
I'm curious about direct touch typing.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
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Do you mean the keyboard connects to the 30-pin or lightning port? What keyboard is this? I'm curious now.


Thanks,
Ari?
i swear by touch typing. The simplest way to describe it is find the letter you want and let up on the letter and it adds it. I also have a keyboard that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it and I don’t like it.
Post by Shawn Krasniuk
The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button is for.
Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Post by Cheryl Homiak
You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish this I think.
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Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.
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Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8
how does direct typing differ from touch typing?
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
Hi Jonathan,
My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don’t even look at their keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn’t watching what she is typing, and the “clicking” sound that accompanies each keystroke simply can’t keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself, I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been “touch typing” now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an overwhelming desire to “be” like the sighted, but because I honestly believe I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone, which doesn’t have nearly as much space in which to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two fingers at a time. It’s just like anything else, it comes with a learning curve, and as always, it’s not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can’t get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me and braille input, I’ll stick to the braille display.
Jenny
Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my 6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org
Actually, you might be surprised. What’s useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it’s a pretty neat option. But it’s just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)
Jenny
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
I'm curious about direct touch typing.
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
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What is direct touch typing? Is it usable with voice over?

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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:40 PM
To: Vi Phone
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

i swear by touch typing. The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it. I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.


On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <***@icloud.com> wrote:


The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
is for.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook


On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
<***@icloud.com> wrote:

You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
this I think.



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I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
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His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard
<***@fidnet.com> wrote:


Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter
and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and
touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8

how does direct typing differ from touch
typing?


Ray T. Mahorney
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From:
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:37
To: ***@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

Hi Jonathan,

My husband and I were discussing this topic
at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since
forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their
keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or
not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the
screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of
the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and
neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability
to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she
is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply
can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself,
I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing"
now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type
as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an
overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe
I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone,
which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both
hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two
fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning
curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for
inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to
scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer
tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is
cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me
and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.

Jenny


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<***@mosen.org> wrote:



Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch
typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this
feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am
starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my
6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to
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Direct typing is a great reason to have a
SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed
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On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny
Wood <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, you might be surprised.
What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally,
I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made
quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with
it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those
whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a
pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I
applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)

Jenny


On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM,
Sieghard Weitzel <***@live.ca> wrote:



Useless on an iPhone as far as I am
concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an
actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your
finger.

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I'm curious about direct touch
typing.

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What is the interactive
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Thank you so much!
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Once I had a text
field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.

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On Wednesday,
September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote:

Hey guys,
I got ios8
installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse
yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be
hiding?

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yes, it's a Voiceover function. It allows you to tap the letter you want to use once you reach it. It's kind of similar to typing on a keyboard. I think it feels quite natural, but I'm experiencing some issues with it. It doesn't work for entering my passcode. In fact my iPod 5G defaults to standard typing when I enter the passcode, so I've switched back to touch typing.

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Post by Tom Rash
What is direct touch typing? Is it usable with voice over?
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
i swear by touch typing. The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it. I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.
The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
is for.
Shawn
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
this I think.
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard
Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter
and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and
touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.
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Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8
how does direct typing differ from touch
typing?
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:37
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
Hi Jonathan,
My husband and I were discussing this topic
at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since
forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their
keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or
not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the
screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of
the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and
neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability
to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she
is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply
can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself,
I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing"
now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type
as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an
overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe
I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone,
which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both
hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two
fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning
curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for
inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to
scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer
tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is
cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me
and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.
Jenny
On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Jonathan Mosen
Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch
typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this
feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am
starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my
6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to
learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a
SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed
you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and
training
http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>
On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny
Actually, you might be surprised.
What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally,
I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made
quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with
it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those
whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a
pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I
applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)
Jenny
On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM,
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am
concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an
actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your
finger.
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014
2:51 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
I'm curious about direct touch
typing.
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Subject: Re: touch typing
with ios8
What is the interactive
notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM,
Once I had a text
field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
Chuck
On Wednesday,
Hey guys,
I got ios8
installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse
yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be
hiding?
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Pablo Morales
2014-09-21 16:41:44 UTC
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Hi Teresa.

I don’t understand when you say that direct touch typing is similar than typing on a keyboard. I mean, I have IOs7.x, and I know 2 typing mode; standard typing, and touch typing. The first is doing a double tab on each letter that we want to tuype. The second is sliding our finger until the letter we want to type, and releasing the finger on that letter. Automaticly the letter is typed with out double tab. When you say that direct touch typing is similar than typing on a keyboard, I can’t figure out how is it. Can you give me more details?

Thanks in advance.





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yes, it's a Voiceover function. It allows you to tap the letter you want to use once you reach it. It's kind of similar to typing on a keyboard. I think it feels quite natural, but I'm experiencing some issues with it. It doesn't work for entering my passcode. In fact my iPod 5G defaults to standard typing when I enter the passcode, so I've switched back to touch typing.



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On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Tom Rash <***@gmail.com> wrote:

What is direct touch typing? Is it usable with voice over?

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i swear by touch typing. The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it. I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.


On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <***@icloud.com> wrote:


The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
is for.

Shawn
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
<***@icloud.com> wrote:

You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
this I think.



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On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard
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Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter
and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and
touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.

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Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8

how does direct typing differ from touch
typing?


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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:37
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

Hi Jonathan,

My husband and I were discussing this topic
at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since
forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their
keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or
not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the
screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of
the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and
neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability
to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she
is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply
can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself,
I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing"
now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type
as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an
overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe
I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone,
which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both
hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two
fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning
curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for
inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to
scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer
tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is
cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me
and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.

Jenny


On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Jonathan Mosen
<***@mosen.org> wrote:



Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch
typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this
feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am
starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my
6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to
learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a
SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed
you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny
Wood <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, you might be surprised.
What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally,
I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made
quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with
it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those
whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a
pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I
applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)

Jenny


On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM,
Sieghard Weitzel <***@live.ca> wrote:



Useless on an iPhone as far as I am
concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an
actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your
finger.

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I'm curious about direct touch
typing.

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with ios8

What is the interactive
notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen

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On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM,
Chuck Dean <***@icloud.com <mailto:***@icloud.com> > wrote:

Once I had a text
field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.

Chuck

On Wednesday,
September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote:

Hey guys,
I got ios8
installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse
yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be
hiding?

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Hi Pablo,



The discussion was about Direct Touch Typing which is a third choice in iOS 8. There now is Standard Typing, Touch Typing and Direct Touch Typing.





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Hi Teresa.

I don’t understand when you say that direct touch typing is similar than typing on a keyboard. I mean, I have IOs7.x, and I know 2 typing mode; standard typing, and touch typing. The first is doing a double tab on each letter that we want to tuype. The second is sliding our finger until the letter we want to type, and releasing the finger on that letter. Automaticly the letter is typed with out double tab. When you say that direct touch typing is similar than typing on a keyboard, I can’t figure out how is it. Can you give me more details?

Thanks in advance.





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yes, it's a Voiceover function. It allows you to tap the letter you want to use once you reach it. It's kind of similar to typing on a keyboard. I think it feels quite natural, but I'm experiencing some issues with it. It doesn't work for entering my passcode. In fact my iPod 5G defaults to standard typing when I enter the passcode, so I've switched back to touch typing.



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On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Tom Rash <***@gmail.com <mailto:***@gmail.com> > wrote:

What is direct touch typing? Is it usable with voice over?

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i swear by touch typing. The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it. I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.


On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <***@icloud.com <mailto:***@icloud.com> > wrote:


The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
is for.

Shawn
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
<***@icloud.com <mailto:***@icloud.com> > wrote:

You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
this I think.



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On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard
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Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter
and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and
touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.

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how does direct typing differ from touch
typing?


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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

Hi Jonathan,

My husband and I were discussing this topic
at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since
forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their
keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or
not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the
screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of
the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and
neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability
to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she
is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply
can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself,
I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing"
now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type
as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an
overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe
I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone,
which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both
hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two
fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning
curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for
inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to
scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer
tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is
cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me
and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.

Jenny


On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Jonathan Mosen
<***@mosen.org <mailto:***@mosen.org> > wrote:



Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch
typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this
feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am
starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my
6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to
learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a
SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed
you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and
training
http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>


On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny
Wood <***@gmail.com <mailto:***@gmail.com> > wrote:

Actually, you might be surprised.
What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally,
I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made
quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with
it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those
whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a
pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I
applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)

Jenny


On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM,
Sieghard Weitzel <***@live.ca <mailto:***@live.ca> > wrote:



Useless on an iPhone as far as I am
concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an
actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your
finger.

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I'm curious about direct touch
typing.

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with ios8

What is the interactive
notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE
SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU ARE THE WORLD!


On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM,
Chuck Dean <***@icloud.com <mailto:***@icloud.com> <mailto:***@icloud.com> > wrote:

Once I had a text
field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.

Chuck

On Wednesday,
September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote:

Hey guys,
I got ios8
installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse
yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be
hiding?

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Pablo Morales
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Yes, I know that it is a 3th typing mode in IOs8. But I don’t understand how is it. It is what I am asking, how it works. I know standard typing, and touch typing working with IOs 7, but I don’t know the 3th mode of typing that comes with IOs 8. Again, my question is, how works direct touch typing. The description of Teresa, I just couldn’t understand. She said, It is like typing on a keyboard. I can figure out how is it. I mean, on a touch screen, typing like we do on a keyboard, is going to be hard been blind. On our keyboards we can feel the keys, but maybe I am misunderstanding the Teresa description. Again, I need more details about how works direct touch typing on IOs 8.









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Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:09 PM
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Hi Pablo,



The discussion was about Direct Touch Typing which is a third choice in iOS 8. There now is Standard Typing, Touch Typing and Direct Touch Typing.





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Hi Teresa.

I don’t understand when you say that direct touch typing is similar than typing on a keyboard. I mean, I have IOs7.x, and I know 2 typing mode; standard typing, and touch typing. The first is doing a double tab on each letter that we want to tuype. The second is sliding our finger until the letter we want to type, and releasing the finger on that letter. Automaticly the letter is typed with out double tab. When you say that direct touch typing is similar than typing on a keyboard, I can’t figure out how is it. Can you give me more details?

Thanks in advance.





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Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:06 AM
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yes, it's a Voiceover function. It allows you to tap the letter you want to use once you reach it. It's kind of similar to typing on a keyboard. I think it feels quite natural, but I'm experiencing some issues with it. It doesn't work for entering my passcode. In fact my iPod 5G defaults to standard typing when I enter the passcode, so I've switched back to touch typing.



Teresa

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On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Tom Rash <***@gmail.com> wrote:

What is direct touch typing? Is it usable with voice over?

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i swear by touch typing. The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it. I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.


On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <***@icloud.com> wrote:


The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
is for.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook


On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
<***@icloud.com> wrote:

You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
this I think.



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Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter
and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and
touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.

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how does direct typing differ from touch
typing?


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From:
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Hi Jonathan,

My husband and I were discussing this topic
at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since
forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their
keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or
not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the
screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of
the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and
neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability
to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she
is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply
can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself,
I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing"
now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type
as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an
overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe
I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone,
which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both
hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two
fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning
curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for
inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to
scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer
tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is
cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me
and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.

Jenny


On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Jonathan Mosen
<***@mosen.org> wrote:



Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch
typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this
feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am
starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my
6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to
learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a
SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed
you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and
training
http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>


On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny
Wood <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, you might be surprised.
What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally,
I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made
quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with
it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those
whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a
pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I
applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)

Jenny


On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM,
Sieghard Weitzel <***@live.ca> wrote:



Useless on an iPhone as far as I am
concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an
actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your
finger.

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I'm curious about direct touch
typing.

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What is the interactive
notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
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Chuck Dean <***@icloud.com <mailto:***@icloud.com> > wrote:

Once I had a text
field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.

Chuck

On Wednesday,
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Hey guys,
I got ios8
installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse
yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be
hiding?

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Terje Strømberg
2014-09-21 17:34:13 UTC
Permalink
Its like, if you are directly touching letter g, the letter g is written in the edit box before you lift your finger from the letter g again. Any letter or sign is printed in the edit box at once you touch the specific letter. Very very very difficult. Need for skills .....

Take care

21. sep. 2014 kl. 19:24 skrev Pablo Morales <***@gmail.com>:

Yes, I know that it is a 3th typing mode in IOs8. But I don't understand how is it. It is what I am asking, how it works. I know standard typing, and touch typing working with IOs 7, but I don't know the 3th mode of typing that comes with IOs 8. Again, my question is, how works direct touch typing. The description of Teresa, I just couldn't understand. She said, It is like typing on a keyboard. I can figure out how is it. I mean, on a touch screen, typing like we do on a keyboard, is going to be hard been blind. On our keyboards we can feel the keys, but maybe I am misunderstanding the Teresa description. Again, I need more details about how works direct touch typing on IOs 8.




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Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:09 PM
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Hi Pablo,

The discussion was about Direct Touch Typing which is a third choice in iOS 8. There now is Standard Typing, Touch Typing and Direct Touch Typing.


From: ***@googlegroups.com [mailto:***@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:42 AM
To: ***@googlegroups.com
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Hi Teresa.
I don't understand when you say that direct touch typing is similar than typing on a keyboard. I mean, I have IOs7.x, and I know 2 typing mode; standard typing, and touch typing. The first is doing a double tab on each letter that we want to tuype. The second is sliding our finger until the letter we want to type, and releasing the finger on that letter. Automaticly the letter is typed with out double tab. When you say that direct touch typing is similar than typing on a keyboard, I can't figure out how is it. Can you give me more details?
Thanks in advance.


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Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:06 AM
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yes, it's a Voiceover function. It allows you to tap the letter you want to use once you reach it. It's kind of similar to typing on a keyboard. I think it feels quite natural, but I'm experiencing some issues with it. It doesn't work for entering my passcode. In fact my iPod 5G defaults to standard typing when I enter the passcode, so I've switched back to touch typing.

Teresa

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On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Tom Rash <***@gmail.com> wrote:

What is direct touch typing? Is it usable with voice over?

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i swear by touch typing. The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it. I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.


On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <***@icloud.com> wrote:


The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
is for.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook


On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
<***@icloud.com> wrote:

You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
this I think.



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Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter
and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and
touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.

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how does direct typing differ from touch
typing?


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Hi Jonathan,

My husband and I were discussing this topic
at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since
forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their
keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or
not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the
screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of
the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and
neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability
to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she
is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply
can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself,
I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing"
now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type
as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an
overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe
I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone,
which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both
hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two
fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning
curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for
inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to
scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer
tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is
cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me
and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.

Jenny


On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Jonathan Mosen
<***@mosen.org> wrote:



Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch
typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this
feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am
starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my
6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to
learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a
SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed
you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and
training
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On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny
Wood <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, you might be surprised.
What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally,
I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made
quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with
it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those
whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a
pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I
applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)

Jenny


On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM,
Sieghard Weitzel <***@live.ca> wrote:



Useless on an iPhone as far as I am
concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an
actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your
finger.

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I'm curious about direct touch
typing.

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What is the interactive
notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM,
Chuck Dean <***@icloud.com <mailto:***@icloud.com> > wrote:

Once I had a text
field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.

Chuck

On Wednesday,
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Hey guys,
I got ios8
installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse
yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
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Teresa Cochran
2014-09-21 17:44:48 UTC
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I'm sorry for the confusion, Pablo. I meant to say that it's like typing on a keyboard in the sense that you find he letter, and then actually tap it once, like pressing a key on a keyboard. This tapping feels more like typing to me than any of the other methods. However, it doesn't seem to be available in the passcode or phone pad screens, so I am still using touch typing for now. I have never liked standarrd typing.

Teresa

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Post by Pablo Morales
Yes, I know that it is a 3th typing mode in IOs8. But I don’t understand how is it. It is what I am asking, how it works. I know standard typing, and touch typing working with IOs 7, but I don’t know the 3th mode of typing that comes with IOs 8. Again, my question is, how works direct touch typing. The description of Teresa, I just couldn’t understand. She said, It is like typing on a keyboard. I can figure out how is it. I mean, on a touch screen, typing like we do on a keyboard, is going to be hard been blind. On our keyboards we can feel the keys, but maybe I am misunderstanding the Teresa description. Again, I need more details about how works direct touch typing on IOs 8.
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8
Hi Pablo,
The discussion was about Direct Touch Typing which is a third choice in iOS 8. There now is Standard Typing, Touch Typing and Direct Touch Typing.
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:42 AM
Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8
Hi Teresa.
I don’t understand when you say that direct touch typing is similar than typing on a keyboard. I mean, I have IOs7.x, and I know 2 typing mode; standard typing, and touch typing. The first is doing a double tab on each letter that we want to tuype. The second is sliding our finger until the letter we want to type, and releasing the finger on that letter. Automaticly the letter is typed with out double tab. When you say that direct touch typing is similar than typing on a keyboard, I can’t figure out how is it. Can you give me more details?
Thanks in advance.
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
yes, it's a Voiceover function. It allows you to tap the letter you want to use once you reach it. It's kind of similar to typing on a keyboard. I think it feels quite natural, but I'm experiencing some issues with it. It doesn't work for entering my passcode. In fact my iPod 5G defaults to standard typing when I enter the passcode, so I've switched back to touch typing.
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What is direct touch typing? Is it usable with voice over?
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:40 PM
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i swear by touch typing. The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it. I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.
The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
is for.
Shawn
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard
Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter
and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and
touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8
how does direct typing differ from touch
typing?
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:37
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
Hi Jonathan,
My husband and I were discussing this topic
at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since
forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their
keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or
not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the
screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of
the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and
neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability
to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she
is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply
can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself,
I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing"
now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type
as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an
overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe
I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone,
which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both
hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two
fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning
curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for
inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to
scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer
tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is
cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me
and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.
Jenny
On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Jonathan Mosen
Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch
typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this
feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am
starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my
6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to
learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a
SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed
you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
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On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny
Actually, you might be surprised.
What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally,
I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made
quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with
it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those
whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a
pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I
applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)
Jenny
On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM,
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am
concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an
actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your
finger.
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014
2:51 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
I'm curious about direct touch
typing.
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Subject: Re: touch typing
with ios8
What is the interactive
notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM,
Once I had a text
field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
Chuck
On Wednesday,
Hey guys,
I got ios8
installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse
yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be
hiding?
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Actually, you can use it the way Theresa described it, but the way it's supposed to be used is sort of like Fleksy, from my understanding. You tap directly on the letter you want to input, not find it in then lift up as you do in the regular touch typing mode. As you can imagine, this requires very, very good muscle memory. I might try it, but it will probably take me a while to become proficient.


Thanks,
Ari
Post by Pablo Morales
Hi Teresa.
I don’t understand when you say that direct touch typing is similar than typing on a keyboard. I mean, I have IOs7.x, and I know 2 typing mode; standard typing, and touch typing. The first is doing a double tab on each letter that we want to tuype. The second is sliding our finger until the letter we want to type, and releasing the finger on that letter. Automaticly the letter is typed with out double tab. When you say that direct touch typing is similar than typing on a keyboard, I can’t figure out how is it. Can you give me more details?
Thanks in advance.
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
yes, it's a Voiceover function. It allows you to tap the letter you want to use once you reach it. It's kind of similar to typing on a keyboard. I think it feels quite natural, but I'm experiencing some issues with it. It doesn't work for entering my passcode. In fact my iPod 5G defaults to standard typing when I enter the passcode, so I've switched back to touch typing.
Teresa
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What is direct touch typing? Is it usable with voice over?
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Of Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:40 PM
To: Vi Phone
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
i swear by touch typing. The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it. I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.
The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
is for.
Shawn
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
this I think.
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard
Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter
and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and
touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8
how does direct typing differ from touch
typing?
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:37
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
Hi Jonathan,
My husband and I were discussing this topic
at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since
forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their
keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or
not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the
screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of
the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and
neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability
to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she
is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply
can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself,
I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing"
now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type
as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an
overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe
I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone,
which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both
hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two
fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning
curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for
inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to
scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer
tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is
cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me
and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.
Jenny
On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Jonathan Mosen
Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch
typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this
feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am
starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my
6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to
learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a
SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed
you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
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On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny
Actually, you might be surprised.
What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally,
I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made
quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with
it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those
whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a
pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I
applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)
Jenny
On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM,
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am
concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an
actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your
finger.
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014
2:51 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
I'm curious about direct touch
typing.
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From: Jennie Facer
Sent: Wednesday, September
17, 2014 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing
with ios8
What is the interactive
notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM,
Once I had a text
field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
Chuck
On Wednesday,
Hey guys,
I got ios8
installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse
yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be
hiding?
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Ok, direct touch typing assumes you can type as accurately as on a physical
keyboard; so you touch a letter, it is typed... Period!
Very good for accurate typists.
I'm not one of them!

RobH.
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Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8


Hi Teresa.

I don’t understand when you say that direct touch typing is similar than
typing on a keyboard. I mean, I have IOs7.x, and I know 2 typing mode;
standard typing, and touch typing. The first is doing a double tab on each
letter that we want to tuype. The second is sliding our finger until the
letter we want to type, and releasing the finger on that letter. Automaticly
the letter is typed with out double tab. When you say that direct touch
typing is similar than typing on a keyboard, I can’t figure out how is it.
Can you give me more details?

Thanks in advance.





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Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:06 AM
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8



yes, it's a Voiceover function. It allows you to tap the letter you want to
use once you reach it. It's kind of similar to typing on a keyboard. I think
it feels quite natural, but I'm experiencing some issues with it. It doesn't
work for entering my passcode. In fact my iPod 5G defaults to standard
typing when I enter the passcode, so I've switched back to touch typing.



Teresa

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On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Tom Rash <***@gmail.com> wrote:

What is direct touch typing? Is it usable with voice over?

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i swear by touch typing. The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it. I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.


On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <***@icloud.com> wrote:


The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
is for.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook


On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
<***@icloud.com> wrote:

You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
this I think.



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On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard
<***@fidnet.com> wrote:


Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter
and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and
touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.

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Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8

how does direct typing differ from touch
typing?


Ray T. Mahorney
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From:
***@googlegroups.com[mailto:***@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenny
Wood
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:37
To: ***@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

Hi Jonathan,

My husband and I were discussing this topic
at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since
forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their
keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or
not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the
screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of
the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and
neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability
to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she
is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply
can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself,
I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing"
now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type
as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an
overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe
I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone,
which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both
hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two
fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning
curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for
inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to
scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer
tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is
cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me
and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.

Jenny


On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Jonathan Mosen
<***@mosen.org> wrote:



Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch
typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this
feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am
starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my
6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to
learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a
SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed
you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and
training
http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>


On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny
Wood <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, you might be surprised.
What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally,
I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made
quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with
it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those
whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a
pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I
applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)

Jenny


On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM,
Sieghard Weitzel <***@live.ca> wrote:



Useless on an iPhone as far as I am
concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an
actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your
finger.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014
2:51 PM
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

I'm curious about direct touch
typing.

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Sent: Wednesday, September
17, 2014 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing
with ios8

What is the interactive
notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE
SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU ARE THE WORLD!


On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM,
Chuck Dean <***@icloud.com <mailto:***@icloud.com> > wrote:

Once I had a text
field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.

Chuck

On Wednesday,
September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote:

Hey guys,
I got ios8
installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse
yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be
hiding?

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Teresa Cochran
2014-09-21 18:09:18 UTC
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Just to clarify: in direct touch typing, you can explore the screen with your finger without lifting it before you tap.

Teresa

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Post by RobH.
Ok, direct touch typing assumes you can type as accurately as on a physical
keyboard; so you touch a letter, it is typed... Period!
Very good for accurate typists.
I'm not one of them!
RobH.
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Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8
Hi Teresa.
I don’t understand when you say that direct touch typing is similar than
typing on a keyboard. I mean, I have IOs7.x, and I know 2 typing mode;
standard typing, and touch typing. The first is doing a double tab on each
letter that we want to tuype. The second is sliding our finger until the
letter we want to type, and releasing the finger on that letter. Automaticly
the letter is typed with out double tab. When you say that direct touch
typing is similar than typing on a keyboard, I can’t figure out how is it.
Can you give me more details?
Thanks in advance.
Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
yes, it's a Voiceover function. It allows you to tap the letter you want to
use once you reach it. It's kind of similar to typing on a keyboard. I think
it feels quite natural, but I'm experiencing some issues with it. It doesn't
work for entering my passcode. In fact my iPod 5G defaults to standard
typing when I enter the passcode, so I've switched back to touch typing.
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
What is direct touch typing? Is it usable with voice over?
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Of Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:40 PM
To: Vi Phone
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
i swear by touch typing. The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it. I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.
The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
is for.
Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
in "iOS8 without the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
this I think.
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard
Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter
and lift your finger to activate. The new method is to find the letter and
touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8
how does direct typing differ from touch
typing?
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Wood
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:37
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
Hi Jonathan,
My husband and I were discussing this topic
at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since
forgotten. Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their
keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone. Whether they realize it or
not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the
screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of
the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have a sighted friend and
neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability
to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely isn't watching what she
is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies each keystroke simply
can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had usable vision once myself,
I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been "touch typing"
now since I was in the third grade or so. I have longed for a way to type
as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much because I just have an
overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but because I honestly believe
I could type more quickly and efficiently that way. Even on the iPhone,
which doesn't have nearly as much space in which to position either or both
hands, I can make good use of the direct typing function with one or two
fingers at a time. It's just like anything else, it comes with a learning
curve, and as always, it's not for everyone. Personally, I have no use for
inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard, as I just can't get used to
scrunching my fingers into such a small place, and I really do prefer
tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I think the concept is
cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to it. :-) As for me
and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.
Jenny
On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Jonathan Mosen
Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch
typing absolutely rocks on an iPad, and when I first started using this
feature three months ago, I couldn't imagine using it on my phone. Now I am
starting to, and I suspect it will be used even more regularly when I get my
6 Plus. But there's definitely a knack to it and it may take a while to
learn.
Direct typing is a great reason to have a
SpeedDots screen protector. It really helps and the combination can speed
you way up.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and
training
http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>
On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny
Actually, you might be surprised.
What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally,
I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made
quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with
it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those
whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a
pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I
applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)
Jenny
On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM,
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am
concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an
actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your
finger.
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014
2:51 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
I'm curious about direct touch
typing.
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What is the interactive
notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM,
Once I had a text
field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
Chuck
On Wednesday,
Hey guys,
I got ios8
installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse
yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be
hiding?
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You mean, that it is the same touch typing that we have onn IOs 7?



From: ***@googlegroups.com [mailto:***@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:40 PM
To: Vi Phone
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8



i swear by touch typing. The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it. I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.





On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <***@icloud.com> wrote:





The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when you're in
the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard typing
mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so that we
don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button is for.



Shawn

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On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak <***@icloud.com> wrote:



You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described in "iOS8 without
the eye" and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap the letter and
then release quickly. I think this would require a good finger memory of
where the different letters are or a screen protector with dots because if I
understand correctly you are just tapping down and then releasing quickly.
It's different from touch typing because with touch typing you can just
slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch typing needs a
definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not describing this very
well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it enough to know sort of
how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish this I think.
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard <***@fidnet.com> wrote:





Touch typing is the same as it was. Find the letter and lift your finger to
activate. The new method is to find the letter and touch elsewhere on the
screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.


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how does direct typing differ from touch typing?





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Hi Jonathan,



My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he
pointed out something I had long since forgotten. Many, if not most sighted
people don't even look at their keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone.
Whether they realize it or not, they are actually watching the output of
what they are typing on the screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle
memory and familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs. I have
a sighted friend and neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed
record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone. She most definitely
isn't watching what she is typing, and the "clicking" sound that accompanies
each keystroke simply can't keep up with her movement. LOL Having had
usable vision once myself, I know exactly what he is talking about, because
I have been "touch typing" now since I was in the third grade or so. I have
longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much
because I just have an overwhelming desire to "be" like the sighted, but
because I honestly believe I could type more quickly and efficiently that
way. Even on the iPhone, which doesn't have nearly as much space in which
to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing
function with one or two fingers at a time. It's just like anything else,
it comes with a learning curve, and as always, it's not for everyone.
Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard,
as I just can't get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place,
and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I
think the concept is cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to
it. :-) As for me and braille input, I'll stick to the braille display.



Jenny





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Hi Jenny, I agree with you. Direct touch typing absolutely rocks on an iPad,
and when I first started using this feature three months ago, I couldn't
imagine using it on my phone. Now I am starting to, and I suspect it will be
used even more regularly when I get my 6 Plus. But there's definitely a
knack to it and it may take a while to learn.

Direct typing is a great reason to have a SpeedDots screen protector. It
really helps and the combination can speed you way up.

Jonathan Mosen

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On 18/09/2014, at 11:47 am, Jenny Wood < <mailto:***@gmail.com>
***@gmail.com> wrote:



Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next
best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct
touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first
three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up
dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial
orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just
that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them.
:-)



Jenny





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Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the
letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type
rather than just lifting your finger.



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I'm curious about direct touch typing.

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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8



What is the interactive notifications all about?

Thank you so much!

Jen


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On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Chuck Dean < <mailto:***@icloud.com>
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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the
rotor.



Chuck

On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote:

Hey guys,
I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be hiding?
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Hi,
I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place, but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others.
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Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)
Jenny
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.
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I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products that are blind specific. It seems like people avoid them like the plague, and, in a lot of instances, you're not getting full advantage of your device, such as an iPhone. Some mainstream apps just don't work as well for a blind user.

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Hi,
I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place, but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others.
/Krister


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Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them. :-)


Jenny




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Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type rather than just lifting your finger.

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I'm curious about direct touch typing.
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What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen

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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.

Chuck

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I have to agree here, I don't care if it is mainstream or blind specific if
it does what I need it to do. If the app works on my phone, if it does
something I need or want I don't even truly notice who made it or why.





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I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products
that are blind specific. It seems like people avoid them like the plague,
and, in a lot of instances, you're not getting full advantage of your
device, such as an iPhone. Some mainstream apps just don't work as well for
a blind user.


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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8



Hi,

I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about
it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do
given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place,
but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself
how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others.

/Krister



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Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next
best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct
touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first
three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up
dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial
orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just
that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them.
:-)



Jenny





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Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the
letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type
rather than just lifting your finger.



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I'm curious about direct touch typing.

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What is the interactive notifications all about?

Thank you so much!

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Charles I am one of those who would prefer to use a mainstream app if
it exists. The reasons for this are that they are sometimes updated
more frequently and that they are generally less expensive. The KNFB
reader and the GPS apps are both good examples of how expensive apps
are. I understand the reasons for this and don't want to get into a
huge debate. I am just expressing my reasons for preferring off the
shelf apps.
Post by Rose Combs
I have to agree here, I don't care if it is mainstream or blind specific if
it does what I need it to do. If the app works on my phone, if it does
something I need or want I don't even truly notice who made it or why.
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:15 AM
Subject: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8
I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products
that are blind specific. It seems like people avoid them like the plague,
and, in a lot of instances, you're not getting full advantage of your
device, such as an iPhone. Some mainstream apps just don't work as well for
a blind user.
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Hi,
I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about
it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do
given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place,
but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself
how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others.
/Krister
Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next
best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct
touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first
three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up
dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial
orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just
that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them.
:-)
Jenny
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the
letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type
rather than just lifting your finger.
OfRobert Doc Wright
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
I'm curious about direct touch typing.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen
TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
Chuck
Hey guys,
I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be hiding?
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2014-09-18 14:17:41 UTC
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Krister your first point is one which I didn't think about and is very valid.
Hi,
You want to know the reason why i avoid using blind specific apps as far as
i possibly can?
1: Blindness specific apps send a signal to developers that they need not
bother to put accessibility into main stream apps, because a solution exists
that blind are going to prefer anyway.
2: As someone stated earlier, blind specific apps tend not to be updated
past the first version and the first bug fix release, then they get
forgotten.
3: Some, *not all* but some developers tend to oversimplify and exclude
features even down to a basic level and to me at least it is like they're
saying that blind folks can't chew chewing gum and walk at the same time,
that in my not so humble opinion is an insult of my inteligence. I'm not
saying we should have bells and whistles by the score and just because they
can, but if one makes, say a calendar, something that already exists and is
accessible don't omit features that are basic. Now let me say this once
again, not all developers do this but i've seen those who do. Let's also be
clear on one more point, there are apps that are really needed, like screen
readers, money identifiers, some apps that adds extra gps info to standard
gps apps etc but there are other apps that reinvent the wheel but more over
simplified, like certain calendars, calculators and the like.
Just my 0.02.
/Krister
Post by John Diakogeorgiou
Charles I am one of those who would prefer to use a mainstream app if
it exists. The reasons for this are that they are sometimes updated
more frequently and that they are generally less expensive. The KNFB
reader and the GPS apps are both good examples of how expensive apps
are. I understand the reasons for this and don't want to get into a
huge debate. I am just expressing my reasons for preferring off the
shelf apps.
Post by Rose Combs
I have to agree here, I don't care if it is mainstream or blind specific if
it does what I need it to do. If the app works on my phone, if it does
something I need or want I don't even truly notice who made it or why.
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:15 AM
Subject: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8
I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products
that are blind specific. It seems like people avoid them like the plague,
and, in a lot of instances, you're not getting full advantage of your
device, such as an iPhone. Some mainstream apps just don't work as well for
a blind user.
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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
Hi,
I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about
it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do
given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place,
but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself
how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others.
/Krister
Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next
best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct
touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first
three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up
dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial
orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's
just
that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them.
:-)
Jenny
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the
letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type
rather than just lifting your finger.
Behalf
OfRobert Doc Wright
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
I'm curious about direct touch typing.
----- Original Message -----
Jennie Facer
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen
TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the
rotor.
Chuck
Hey guys,
I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be hiding?
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I totally agree with this. If the mainstream app does the job just as well or better, I'll use it. But if an app designed for the blind does the job better or more easily, that's what I would prefer using.

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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8


I do use blindness-specific apps from time to time, such as Bard. However, I tend to have a pragmatic approach to this issue. If an off-the-shelf app can do it just as well or better, I use that. One thing I absolutely love about using iOS is being able to compare notes about apps with sighted friends. Just the other day, my friend recommended a website, and I found out its companion app is very accessible. You just can't beat that.


Teresa

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On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Krister Ekstrom <***@kristersplace.com> wrote:


Hi,
You want to know the reason why i avoid using blind specific apps as far as i possibly can?
1: Blindness specific apps send a signal to developers that they need not bother to put accessibility into main stream apps, because a solution exists that blind are going to prefer anyway.
2: As someone stated earlier, blind specific apps tend not to be updated past the first version and the first bug fix release, then they get forgotten.
3: Some, *not all* but some developers tend to oversimplify and exclude features even down to a basic level and to me at least it is like they’re saying that blind folks can’t chew chewing gum and walk at the same time, that in my not so humble opinion is an insult of my inteligence. I’m not saying we should have bells and whistles by the score and just because they can, but if one makes, say a calendar, something that already exists and is accessible don’t omit features that are basic. Now let me say this once again, not all developers do this but i’ve seen those who do. Let’s also be clear on one more point, there are apps that are really needed, like screen readers, money identifiers, some apps that adds extra gps info to standard gps apps etc but there are other apps that reinvent the wheel but more over simplified, like certain calendars, calculators and the like.
Just my 0.02.
/Krister


18 sep 2014 kl. 15:20 skrev John Diakogeorgiou <***@gmail.com>:


Charles I am one of those who would prefer to use a mainstream app if
it exists. The reasons for this are that they are sometimes updated
more frequently and that they are generally less expensive. The KNFB
reader and the GPS apps are both good examples of how expensive apps
are. I understand the reasons for this and don't want to get into a
huge debate. I am just expressing my reasons for preferring off the
shelf apps.

On 9/18/14, Rose Combs <***@q.com> wrote:

I have to agree here, I don't care if it is mainstream or blind specific if
it does what I need it to do. If the app works on my phone, if it does
something I need or want I don't even truly notice who made it or why.





From: ***@googlegroups.com [mailto:***@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:15 AM
To: ***@googlegroups.com
Subject: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8



I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products
that are blind specific. It seems like people avoid them like the plague,
and, in a lot of instances, you're not getting full advantage of your
device, such as an iPhone. Some mainstream apps just don't work as well
for
a blind user.


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To: ***@googlegroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:26 AM

Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8



Hi,

I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about
it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do
given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place,
but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself
how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others.

/Krister



18 sep 2014 kl. 01:47 skrev Jenny Wood <***@gmail.com>:



Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next
best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct
touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first
three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up
dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial
orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just
that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of
them.
:-)



Jenny





On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <***@live.ca> wrote:





Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit
the
letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type
rather than just lifting your finger.



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Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

I'm curious about direct touch typing.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:31 PM

Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

What is the interactive notifications all about?

Thank you so much!

Jen


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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the
rotor.

Chuck

On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote:

Hey guys,
I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
it might be hiding?

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$0.02?? Oh, come on. That was at least worth $0.05!! (grin) Your points are well taken. In the case of oversimplification, here's where a bit of education would come in. I would contact the developer of the app and, in a nice way, let them know that, although you appreciate their time and effort, blind people don't need the app to be made for people who know nothing about how to operate an app, nor are we simpletons. In future updates, which I would be interested in, here are examples of past oversimplifications that aren't necessary. Then list them. Encourage them to work on the app to make it better for users. If enough interest and constructive criticism, we might get something more to our liking.

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Hi,
You want to know the reason why i avoid using blind specific apps as far as i possibly can?
1: Blindness specific apps send a signal to developers that they need not bother to put accessibility into main stream apps, because a solution exists that blind are going to prefer anyway.
2: As someone stated earlier, blind specific apps tend not to be updated past the first version and the first bug fix release, then they get forgotten.
3: Some, *not all* but some developers tend to oversimplify and exclude features even down to a basic level and to me at least it is like they're saying that blind folks can't chew chewing gum and walk at the same time, that in my not so humble opinion is an insult of my inteligence. I'm not saying we should have bells and whistles by the score and just because they can, but if one makes, say a calendar, something that already exists and is accessible don't omit features that are basic. Now let me say this once again, not all developers do this but i've seen those who do. Let's also be clear on one more point, there are apps that are really needed, like screen readers, money identifiers, some apps that adds extra gps info to standard gps apps etc but there are other apps that reinvent the wheel but more over simplified, like certain calendars, calculators and the like.
Just my 0.02.
/Krister


18 sep 2014 kl. 15:20 skrev John Diakogeorgiou <***@gmail.com>:


Charles I am one of those who would prefer to use a mainstream app if
it exists. The reasons for this are that they are sometimes updated
more frequently and that they are generally less expensive. The KNFB
reader and the GPS apps are both good examples of how expensive apps
are. I understand the reasons for this and don't want to get into a
huge debate. I am just expressing my reasons for preferring off the
shelf apps.

On 9/18/14, Rose Combs <***@q.com> wrote:

I have to agree here, I don't care if it is mainstream or blind specific if
it does what I need it to do. If the app works on my phone, if it does
something I need or want I don't even truly notice who made it or why.





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I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products
that are blind specific. It seems like people avoid them like the plague,
and, in a lot of instances, you're not getting full advantage of your
device, such as an iPhone. Some mainstream apps just don't work as well
for
a blind user.


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Hi,

I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about
it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do
given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place,
but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself
how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others.

/Krister



18 sep 2014 kl. 01:47 skrev Jenny Wood <***@gmail.com>:



Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next
best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct
touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first
three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up
dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial
orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just
that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of
them.
:-)



Jenny





On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <***@live.ca> wrote:





Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit
the
letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type
rather than just lifting your finger.



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I'm curious about direct touch typing.

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What is the interactive notifications all about?

Thank you so much!

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On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Chuck Dean < <mailto:***@icloud.com>
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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the
rotor.

Chuck

On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote:

Hey guys,
I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where
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Those are good reasons, too. Why pay $100 for something that a $10 app will
do? Not that I am against the KNFB reader, by any means. The fact is, it!
is! expensive!! It does, however, certainly serve a purpose. It will be
quite a while before I get it, but I am really thinking about it for the
future. Not sure, but I may not renew my subscription to the Sendero
Group's app, based on how well this new version of "maps" eventually works,
as I'm thinking that it is a project in the works. I do have other GPS apps
that are mainstream and considerably less expensive.

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Subject: Re: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8


Charles I am one of those who would prefer to use a mainstream app if
it exists. The reasons for this are that they are sometimes updated
more frequently and that they are generally less expensive. The KNFB
reader and the GPS apps are both good examples of how expensive apps
are. I understand the reasons for this and don't want to get into a
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shelf apps.
Post by Rose Combs
I have to agree here, I don't care if it is mainstream or blind specific if
it does what I need it to do. If the app works on my phone, if it does
something I need or want I don't even truly notice who made it or why.
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:15 AM
Subject: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8
I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products
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a blind user.
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Hi,
I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about
it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do
given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place,
but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself
how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others.
/Krister
Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next
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orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just
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:-)
Jenny
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the
letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type
rather than just lifting your finger.
OfRobert Doc Wright
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
I'm curious about direct touch typing.
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What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
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I can't say that what you say will never happen, as far as developers
not incorporating accessibility into their main stream applications
because an application written specifically for the blind exists, but
I'm not sure how frequently this really happens. I'd suspect most
mainstream developers aren't familiar with the applications and products
out there developed specifically for the blind. I'd also think it's more
likely a developer would just ignore the request to add accessibility
taking the attitude that blind people would never use a product like
this or it just can't be made accessible. The fact that blind people are
using such a product developed with the blind in mind would be a counter
argument to just being dismissed like this.

I do think we should still campaign for accessibility to be included in
main stream applications even if a blindness specific alternative
already exists. This has already born fruit. I mean look at the iPhone,
iPod, accessible mainstream GPS and OCR applications and so on. There
are note takers, MP3 players, GPS systems and OCR tools developed
specifically for the blind, but this didn't seem to stop mainstream
applications from being made more accessible.

I don't think your second and third points really have anything to do
with blindness specific products. If an application isn't incorporating
the updates you need then don't buy it. There are plenty of mainstream
applications that die on the vine, so this isn't unique to blindness
specific products at all. BTW, applications don't always need to be
updated constantly to still be useful.

Similarly, if an application is too basic or doesn't have the advanced
features you're looking for then don't purchase it or use it. Again, I
don't see this as being unique to blindness specific products.

I'm not trying to talk anyone into using blindness specific products,
but for me, my independence, productivity and efficiency, and my ability
to compete with my sighted peers, will have me using whatever tools are
at my disposal. I'd much rather use a blindness specific product if the
alternative is being unemployed or getting weaker performance evaluations.
Hi,
You want to know the reason why i avoid using blind specific apps as far
as i possibly can?
1: Blindness specific apps send a signal to developers that they need
not bother to put accessibility into main stream apps, because a
solution exists that blind are going to prefer anyway.
2: As someone stated earlier, blind specific apps tend not to be updated
past the first version and the first bug fix release, then they get
forgotten.
3: Some, *not all* but some developers tend to oversimplify and exclude
features even down to a basic level and to me at least it is like
they're saying that blind folks can't chew chewing gum and walk at the
same time, that in my not so humble opinion is an insult of my
inteligence. I'm not saying we should have bells and whistles by the
score and just because they can, but if one makes, say a calendar,
something that already exists and is accessible don't omit features
that are basic. Now let me say this once again, not all developers do
this but i've seen those who do. Let's also be clear on one more point,
there are apps that are really needed, like screen readers, money
identifiers, some apps that adds extra gps info to standard gps apps etc
but there are other apps that reinvent the wheel but more over
simplified, like certain calendars, calculators and the like.
Just my 0.02.
/Krister
Post by John Diakogeorgiou
Charles I am one of those who would prefer to use a mainstream app if
it exists. The reasons for this are that they are sometimes updated
more frequently and that they are generally less expensive. The KNFB
reader and the GPS apps are both good examples of how expensive apps
are. I understand the reasons for this and don't want to get into a
huge debate. I am just expressing my reasons for preferring off the
shelf apps.
Post by Rose Combs
I have to agree here, I don't care if it is mainstream or blind specific if
it does what I need it to do. If the app works on my phone, if it does
something I need or want I don't even truly notice who made it or why.
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:15 AM
Subject: blind specific versus mainstream - Re: touch typing with ios8
I don't understand why people seem to be against using apps and products
that are blind specific. It seems like people avoid them like the plague,
and, in a lot of instances, you're not getting full advantage of your
device, such as an iPhone. Some mainstream apps just don't work as well for
a blind user.
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Hi,
I have tried the direct typing method, and i don't know what i think about
it really. I have now installed Fleksy something i thought i would never do
given that it was designed as a blind specific product in the first place,
but now when it's actually available in Swedish i can experience for myself
how powerful it really is. But that's also just an option amongst others.
/Krister
Actually, you might be surprised. What's useless for one may be the next
best thing for another. Personally, I am rather excited about the direct
touch typing feature. While I made quite a few mistakes within the first
three or four minutes of playing with it, my speed and accuracy picked up
dramatically within the hour. For those whom muscle memory and spacial
orientation come more naturally, it's a pretty neat option. But it's just
that, an option, and personally, I applaud Apple for giving us more of them.
:-)
Jenny
Useless on an iPhone as far as I am concerned. You basically have to hit the
letter right on and it takes an actual tap and lift for the letter to type
rather than just lifting your finger.
Behalf
OfRobert Doc Wright
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
I'm curious about direct touch typing.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
What is the interactive notifications all about?
Thank you so much!
Jen
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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.
Chuck
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It also has a separate setting under voiceover
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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.


Chuck

On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote:
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I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any
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it might be hiding?


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The Applevis article said that your typing settings will be forgotten after you upgrade.

Andy

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Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor.

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He have to change it in and edit field and flick with your router settings to change it. Desault take you to the typing mode. That's what you're looking for. Then you select up-and-down define what you want to use.
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First, remember that they only appear in the rotor at places where you would be typing. I changed mine from standard, which it was on when I started setup, to touch while still in the setup.

Also, there are three kinds of typing now: direct touch typing, touch typing (what you have been used to in touch typing) and standard typing.

Finally, you can now set typing in Settings > Accessibility > Voiceover > typing style.

Unless there is something specifically going on with your i-device or some i-devices, touch typing does indeed still work. I suspect that when your device came back on it was set to standard typing and you didn't realize it. But that's just a guess on my part.




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