Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

Discussion:

Wayne Merritt

2014-09-19 21:04:41 UTC

Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
and it would be great if they added that ability.

Thanks in advance,
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Flor Lynch

2014-09-19 21:33:08 UTC

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In iOS7 (and before), with your braille display Bluetooth paired and
Voiceover running, you can already write (in braille) with your braille
display's keys, without need of any rotor adjustment beyond the usual
Voiceover things. You can also write with the onscreen keyboard and your
output can be read from the braille display. I suppose the feedback
might be a bit quicker, with Contracted braille, but we already know
that braille translation is not the most instant or intuitive synergy. .
.

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Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
and it would be great if they added that ability.

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Wayne Merritt

2014-09-19 21:42:45 UTC

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Sorry, I suppose I should have explained more. I was wondering if you
could turn the rodar to braille when on a home screen and use the
braille display to open apps from the home screen? I know you can
braile things from the display in different edit boxes and files.

Wayne

Post by Flor Lynch
In iOS7 (and before), with your braille display Bluetooth paired and
Voiceover running, you can already write (in braille) with your braille
display's keys, without need of any rotor adjustment beyond the usual
Voiceover things. You can also write with the onscreen keyboard and your
output can be read from the braille display. I suppose the feedback
might be a bit quicker, with Contracted braille, but we already know
that braille translation is not the most instant or intuitive synergy. .
.
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Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
and it would be great if they added that ability.
Thanks in advance,
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RobH!

2014-09-20 09:33:07 UTC

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Ok, this is much more interesting.

So, anyone with a working external keyboard, a bluetooth one - I know it's
been an issue!
But, if you have a working external keyboard, do as he asks, crank the
rotor round to braille, then tap the first letter of an app that should be
on the screen, and see if it finds anything.

That would be useful, and, if it worked for one, it should work for the
other.

JMO, RobH.

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Sorry, I suppose I should have explained more. I was wondering if you
could turn the rodar to braille when on a home screen and use the
braille display to open apps from the home screen? I know you can
braile things from the display in different edit boxes and files.

Wayne

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Charles Rivard

2014-09-20 01:04:02 UTC

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The setting on the router is to be used when you want to use an onscreen
braille keyboard that is built into oS8. If you want to use your braille
display just as you currently do, you do it exactly as you currently do.
HTH.

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Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
and it would be great if they added that ability.

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alia robinson

2014-09-20 01:22:32 UTC

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you've been able to n braille using a display for ages on the iphone, no need to turn a router to anything, just input braille.

Alex Hall

2014-09-20 01:24:51 UTC

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I know what the OP is saying though, and no you can't. He is asking if he can now use the display's keyboard to search for and open apps on the home screen like the on-screen braille or handwriting modes allow. Unless I missed something, this is still not possible.

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Flor Lynch

2014-09-20 02:06:59 UTC

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Perhaps there would need to be a specific 'fraille display' Rotor setting for this? I think Apple/VO can only go so far with differing hardware braille drivers, so that this is unlikely any time soon. .

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I know what the OP is saying though, and no you can't. He is asking if he can now use the display's keyboard to search for and open apps on the home screen like the on-screen braille or handwriting modes allow. Unless I missed something, this is still not possible.

On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:22 PM, alia robinson <***@gmail.com> wrote:

you've been able to n braille using a display for ages on the iphone, no need to turn a router to anything, just input braille.

On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Wayne Merritt <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
and it would be great if they added that ability.

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RobH!

2014-09-20 09:37:13 UTC

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Has anyone tried it yet, like I said in a previous post, can you type a
letter on an external keyboard in that mode braille/hand-writing, and have
it find something.

I haven't got a bt keyboard to play with right now or would test it myself.

RobH, wondering where to borrow one.

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Perhaps there would need to be a specific 'fraille display' Rotor setting
for this? I think Apple/VO can only go so far with differing hardware
braille drivers, so that this is unlikely any time soon. .

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I know what the OP is saying though, and no you can't. He is asking if he
can now use the display's keyboard to search for and open apps on the home
screen like the on-screen braille or handwriting modes allow. Unless I
missed something, this is still not possible.

On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:22 PM, alia robinson <***@gmail.com> wrote:

you've been able to n braille using a display for ages on the iphone, no
need to turn a router to anything, just input braille.

On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Wayne Merritt <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
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Teresa Cochran

2014-09-20 12:18:50 UTC

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I'm confused by your question, because using the onscreen keyboard doesn't have anything to do with an external device. It's like turning to handwriting mode and trying to use an external keyboard. I don't think the two modes are compatible. I did try using a Braille display to enter text while on the home screen, and it doesn't work, with or without the onscreen mode being activated.

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Post by RobH!
Has anyone tried it yet, like I said in a previous post, can you type a
letter on an external keyboard in that mode braille/hand-writing, and have
it find something.
I haven't got a bt keyboard to play with right now or would test it myself.
RobH, wondering where to borrow one.
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Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8
Perhaps there would need to be a specific 'fraille display' Rotor setting
for this? I think Apple/VO can only go so far with differing hardware
braille drivers, so that this is unlikely any time soon. .
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Hall
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8
I know what the OP is saying though, and no you can't. He is asking if he
can now use the display's keyboard to search for and open apps on the home
screen like the on-screen braille or handwriting modes allow. Unless I
missed something, this is still not possible.
you've been able to n braille using a display for ages on the iphone, no
need to turn a router to anything, just input braille.
Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
and it would be great if they added that ability.
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Charles Rivard

2014-09-20 15:50:28 UTC

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No. If your rotor is set to handwriting, handwriting is all you can do, and
not from an external device. It is done on the touch screen. That would be
like trying to write onto a sheet of paper by using a typewriter across the
room that had no paper in it.

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Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

Has anyone tried it yet, like I said in a previous post, can you type a
letter on an external keyboard in that mode braille/hand-writing, and have
it find something.

I haven't got a bt keyboard to play with right now or would test it myself.

RobH, wondering where to borrow one.

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Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 3:06 AM
Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

Perhaps there would need to be a specific 'fraille display' Rotor setting
for this? I think Apple/VO can only go so far with differing hardware
braille drivers, so that this is unlikely any time soon. .

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

I know what the OP is saying though, and no you can't. He is asking if he
can now use the display's keyboard to search for and open apps on the home
screen like the on-screen braille or handwriting modes allow. Unless I
missed something, this is still not possible.

On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:22 PM, alia robinson <***@gmail.com> wrote:

you've been able to n braille using a display for ages on the iphone, no
need to turn a router to anything, just input braille.

On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Wayne Merritt <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
and it would be great if they added that ability.

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Well, it can be done the same way it is done with a QWERTY keyboard, through spotlight search. I always use handwriting feature for this purpose, so do not remember how to bring up spotlight search.

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Post by Alex Hall
I know what the OP is saying though, and no you can't. He is asking if he can now use the display's keyboard to search for and open apps on the home screen like the on-screen braille or handwriting modes allow. Unless I missed something, this is still not possible.

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you've been able to n braille using a display for ages on the iphone, no need to turn a router to anything, just input braille.

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Do a three finger swipe down on a home screen to bring up the spot light
search.

Post by David Chittenden
Well, it can be done the same way it is done with a QWERTY keyboard,
through spotlight search. I always use handwriting feature for this
purpose, so do not remember how to bring up spotlight search.
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I know what the OP is saying though, and no you can't. He is asking if
he can now use the display's keyboard to search for and open apps on
the home screen like the on-screen braille or handwriting modes allow.
Unless I missed something, this is still not possible.

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you've been able to n braille using a display for ages on the iphone,
no need to turn a router to anything, just input braille.

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Coo, that's useful; not done that before, got more than I bargained for,
too.

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Do a three finger swipe down on a home screen to bring up the spot light
search.

Post by Alex Hall
I know what the OP is saying though, and no you can't. He is asking if
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Unless I missed something, this is still not possible.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but input from an external braille keyboard would
send to the iDevice just like a qwerty external keyboard, so cranking round
the rotor to braille would serve no purpose, probably complicate the issue.

The rotor setting is for those who can't or don't have an external braille
keyboard.

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Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
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Not that I know of. The idea is to type in Braille on the touch screen just like you could with MBraille and BrailleTouch however you can do this in any text field. Typing on a Braille display should be the same as it always has been in previous releases.

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Okay, thanks all for the responses. I was talking about the ability
to, perhaps enter text with a Braille display like the new braille
input mode or handwriting modes for entering text. I don't think that
it would be that difficult since many displays are already supported
and can be used to enter text. In my suggestion to Apple
Accessibility, I mentioned that perhaps a dot 3 and space or dot 6 and
space could be used to switch between numbers, contracted, and
uncontracted braille. Given the new braille input mode I have heard of
in iOS 8, it seems like this could be possible. Oh well, perhaps in a
future update. I think it would be cool if they added it though since
that could mean input by Braille display to even more places in iOS.

Best,
Wayne

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Not that I know of. The idea is to type in Braille on the touch screen just
like you could with MBraille and BrailleTouch however you can do this in any
text field. Typing on a Braille display should be the same as it always has
been in previous releases.
Sent from my Macbook Pro

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Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
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Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
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so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
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2014-09-21 20:06:56 UTC

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It has been possible to use Braille input on a display since Voiceover was implemented. This works independently from any screen input mode. The onscreen Braille input is meant for you to be able to Braille directly onto the touchscreen. This comes in handy if you don't have a Braille display or if you don't have it handy.

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Post by Wayne Merritt
Okay, thanks all for the responses. I was talking about the ability
to, perhaps enter text with a Braille display like the new braille
input mode or handwriting modes for entering text. I don't think that
it would be that difficult since many displays are already supported
and can be used to enter text. In my suggestion to Apple
Accessibility, I mentioned that perhaps a dot 3 and space or dot 6 and
space could be used to switch between numbers, contracted, and
uncontracted braille. Given the new braille input mode I have heard of
in iOS 8, it seems like this could be possible. Oh well, perhaps in a
future update. I think it would be cool if they added it though since
that could mean input by Braille display to even more places in iOS.
Best,
Wayne

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Understood. I was thinking it would be handy to enter the first few
letters of an app's name on a home screen with a braille display,
verses having to search each screen or find a certain app which may be
on screen 4 or 7 and then open the app.

Wayne

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It has been possible to use Braille input on a display since Voiceover was
implemented. This works independently from any screen input mode. The
onscreen Braille input is meant for you to be able to Braille directly onto
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Hi,

A reasonably quick way to search for an app and open it is to make sure focus is anywhere other than the status bar. Then type Space with dots 3-4-5-6. This opens Spotlight. Type a few characters and press Enter. Press Space with Dot 4 a few times, and you should reach the app you want. Press Return again to open it.

Best,
Anna

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Understood. I was thinking it would be handy to enter the first few
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