Some Tips On Braille On-screen Input

Discussion:

Teresa Cochran

2014-09-25 20:52:43 UTC

Hi, all,

I've noticed some folks having difficulties with this and posting to other threads, so I thought I'd make a thread dedicated to it and post a few hints.

Try the following for practice. Go into Notes or a new mail message. Turn to the Braille screen input item on the rotor. There are two ways to position the device for Braille. You can use "screen-away mode", which makes it possible to point the screen away from you in landscape mode with the home button to the right, or "tabletop mode", which lets you place the device on a flat surface with the home button to the left. In screen-away mode, the dots are arranged "accordion fashion" with dots 1-2-3 on the left short side and dots 4-5-6 on the right short side. In tabletop mode, the dots are arranged on the long side closest to you. When you begin practice, hold your hands pressed on the device until you hear "explore mode", and Voiceover will tell you which dots are pressed. You will exit explore mode when you lift a finger. With explore mode, it's a lot easier to have sounds on, because you'll hear some tones before you enter this mode. Space using a right-flick, backspace using a left-flick, new line with two-finger-right-flick, switch between contracted and six-dot uncontracted with a three-finger-right-flick.

Chime in with other hints. I'm sure there are things I missed. :)

HtH,
Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

Cheryl Homiak

2014-09-25 21:06:03 UTC

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Actually, the home button does not have to be on the left for tabletop mode though the default has the dots going 1 through 6 from left to right with the home button the left so that turning it with the home button on the right would make them backwards. . You can go to away mode and then turn the phone around with the home button facing right and go back to tabletop mode and get dots 1 through 6 still going from left to right. The same is true in away mode; the home button does not have to be on the right. Everything is totally reversible and you can have the home button wherever you want it at any time.
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I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
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Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

Post by Teresa Cochran
Hi, all,
I've noticed some folks having difficulties with this and posting to other threads, so I thought I'd make a thread dedicated to it and post a few hints.
Try the following for practice. Go into Notes or a new mail message. Turn to the Braille screen input item on the rotor. There are two ways to position the device for Braille. You can use "screen-away mode", which makes it possible to point the screen away from you in landscape mode with the home button to the right, or "tabletop mode", which lets you place the device on a flat surface with the home button to the left. In screen-away mode, the dots are arranged "accordion fashion" with dots 1-2-3 on the left short side and dots 4-5-6 on the right short side. In tabletop mode, the dots are arranged on the long side closest to you. When you begin practice, hold your hands pressed on the device until you hear "explore mode", and Voiceover will tell you which dots are pressed. You will exit explore mode when you lift a finger. With explore mode, it's a lot easier to have sounds on, because you'll hear some tones before you enter this mode. Space using a right-flick, backspace using a left-flick, new line with two-finger-right-flick, switch between contracted and six-dot uncontracted with a three-finger-right-flick.
Chime in with other hints. I'm sure there are things I missed. :)
HtH,
Teresa
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Deb Lewis

2014-09-25 21:17:20 UTC

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Well I think I'm following all the instructions just fine. I haven't
seen anything I didn't know. But when I'm in exploring mode, I get one
pattern correctly named, change one figer and it gives me an entirely
unrelated pattern even though some fingers have not moved at all. I
get the same results in table top or landscape mde. I can confirm that
with my 4S, which was not upgraded, I can still use MBraille just
fine. So there may be something about my phone itself.

Post by Cheryl Homiak
Actually, the home button does not have to be on the left for tabletop mode
though the default has the dots going 1 through 6 from left to right with
the home button the left so that turning it with the home button on the
right would make them backwards. . You can go to away mode and then turn the
phone around with the home button facing right and go back to tabletop mode
and get dots 1 through 6 still going from left to right. The same is true in
away mode; the home button does not have to be on the right. Everything is
totally reversible and you can have the home button wherever you want it at
any time.
--
Cheryl
I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
His joy for my despairing tears!
"This I call to mind,
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

Post by Teresa Cochran
Hi, all,
I've noticed some folks having difficulties with this and posting to other
threads, so I thought I'd make a thread dedicated to it and post a few
hints.
Try the following for practice. Go into Notes or a new mail message. Turn
to the Braille screen input item on the rotor. There are two ways to
position the device for Braille. You can use "screen-away mode", which
makes it possible to point the screen away from you in landscape mode with
the home button to the right, or "tabletop mode", which lets you place the
device on a flat surface with the home button to the left. In screen-away
mode, the dots are arranged "accordion fashion" with dots 1-2-3 on the
left short side and dots 4-5-6 on the right short side. In tabletop mode,
the dots are arranged on the long side closest to you. When you begin
practice, hold your hands pressed on the device until you hear "explore
mode", and Voiceover will tell you which dots are pressed. You will exit
explore mode when you lift a finger. With explore mode, it's a lot easier
to have sounds on, because you'll hear some tones before you enter this
mode. Space using a right-flick, backspace using a left-flick, new line
with two-finger-right-flick, switch between contracted and six-dot
uncontracted with a three-finger-right-flick.
Chime in with other hints. I'm sure there are things I missed. :)
HtH,
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
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Cheryl Homiak

2014-09-25 21:29:08 UTC

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I don't think you can make that comparison with your 4s unless the new braille input really is exactly mbraille. The only reason I question this is that for some reason, though I know other people had great success and I am glad for them, I never could at all master mbraille and yet I am doing well with the built-in system. That's not a criticism of mbraille or a defense of the built-in system; it just makes me question whether the two systems are actually totally the same and can be reliably compared as to the performance of mbraile on a 4s still running iOS7 and the built-in system on a phone running iOS8. It seems to me that for me to have had so much trouble with one and be doing well on the other, there must be some difference between the two but i don't know what that difference would be. What does seem obvious is that some people who do well on mbraille are having trouble with the built-in system and at least one person who could not manage mbraille is doing well with the built-in system.
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Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

Post by Deb Lewis
Well I think I'm following all the instructions just fine. I haven't
seen anything I didn't know. But when I'm in exploring mode, I get one
pattern correctly named, change one figer and it gives me an entirely
unrelated pattern even though some fingers have not moved at all. I
get the same results in table top or landscape mde. I can confirm that
with my 4S, which was not upgraded, I can still use MBraille just
fine. So there may be something about my phone itself.

Post by Teresa Cochran
Hi, all,
I've noticed some folks having difficulties with this and posting to other
threads, so I thought I'd make a thread dedicated to it and post a few
hints.
Try the following for practice. Go into Notes or a new mail message. Turn
to the Braille screen input item on the rotor. There are two ways to
position the device for Braille. You can use "screen-away mode", which
makes it possible to point the screen away from you in landscape mode with
the home button to the right, or "tabletop mode", which lets you place the
device on a flat surface with the home button to the left. In screen-away
mode, the dots are arranged "accordion fashion" with dots 1-2-3 on the
left short side and dots 4-5-6 on the right short side. In tabletop mode,
the dots are arranged on the long side closest to you. When you begin
practice, hold your hands pressed on the device until you hear "explore
mode", and Voiceover will tell you which dots are pressed. You will exit
explore mode when you lift a finger. With explore mode, it's a lot easier
to have sounds on, because you'll hear some tones before you enter this
mode. Space using a right-flick, backspace using a left-flick, new line
with two-finger-right-flick, switch between contracted and six-dot
uncontracted with a three-finger-right-flick.
Chime in with other hints. I'm sure there are things I missed. :)
HtH,
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
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Alex Hall

2014-09-25 21:50:57 UTC

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My main problem, aside from the frustrating bug where spaces don't always register, is Table Mode. No matter how I turn my phone, or how many times I go to Away Mode and then back to Table Mode, or how many times I calibrate, Table mode is backwards. Dots 1-3 are on the right hand, while dots 4-6 are on the left. In fact, calibrating in this mode makes it worse, as I usually end up with dot 1 *between* dots 2 and 3, instead of preceding them. Away mode works fine, it's only Table Mode that seems to hate me. :)

Post by Cheryl Homiak
I don't think you can make that comparison with your 4s unless the new braille input really is exactly mbraille. The only reason I question this is that for some reason, though I know other people had great success and I am glad for them, I never could at all master mbraille and yet I am doing well with the built-in system. That's not a criticism of mbraille or a defense of the built-in system; it just makes me question whether the two systems are actually totally the same and can be reliably compared as to the performance of mbraile on a 4s still running iOS7 and the built-in system on a phone running iOS8. It seems to me that for me to have had so much trouble with one and be doing well on the other, there must be some difference between the two but i don't know what that difference would be. What does seem obvious is that some people who do well on mbraille are having trouble with the built-in system and at least one person who could not manage mbraille is doing well with the built-in system.
--
Cheryl
I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
His joy for my despairing tears!
"This I call to mind,
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

Post by Teresa Cochran
Hi, all,
I've noticed some folks having difficulties with this and posting to other
threads, so I thought I'd make a thread dedicated to it and post a few
hints.
Try the following for practice. Go into Notes or a new mail message. Turn
to the Braille screen input item on the rotor. There are two ways to
position the device for Braille. You can use "screen-away mode", which
makes it possible to point the screen away from you in landscape mode with
the home button to the right, or "tabletop mode", which lets you place the
device on a flat surface with the home button to the left. In screen-away
mode, the dots are arranged "accordion fashion" with dots 1-2-3 on the
left short side and dots 4-5-6 on the right short side. In tabletop mode,
the dots are arranged on the long side closest to you. When you begin
practice, hold your hands pressed on the device until you hear "explore
mode", and Voiceover will tell you which dots are pressed. You will exit
explore mode when you lift a finger. With explore mode, it's a lot easier
to have sounds on, because you'll hear some tones before you enter this
mode. Space using a right-flick, backspace using a left-flick, new line
with two-finger-right-flick, switch between contracted and six-dot
uncontracted with a three-finger-right-flick.
Chime in with other hints. I'm sure there are things I missed. :)
HtH,
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
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Teresa Cochran

2014-09-25 22:49:44 UTC

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I believe that mBraille has a â²flip dots" mode, so you don't have to turn the device 180 degrees. My tabletop mode is always backwards, so I have to turn it 180 degrees from away mode. I'm sorry about the confusion, but I suppose YMMV in this case.

Teresa

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Post by Alex Hall
My main problem, aside from the frustrating bug where spaces don't always register, is Table Mode. No matter how I turn my phone, or how many times I go to Away Mode and then back to Table Mode, or how many times I calibrate, Table mode is backwards. Dots 1-3 are on the right hand, while dots 4-6 are on the left. In fact, calibrating in this mode makes it worse, as I usually end up with dot 1 *between* dots 2 and 3, instead of preceding them. Away mode works fine, it's only Table Mode that seems to hate me. :)

Post by Teresa Cochran
Hi, all,
I've noticed some folks having difficulties with this and posting to other
threads, so I thought I'd make a thread dedicated to it and post a few
hints.
Try the following for practice. Go into Notes or a new mail message. Turn
to the Braille screen input item on the rotor. There are two ways to
position the device for Braille. You can use "screen-away mode", which
makes it possible to point the screen away from you in landscape mode with
the home button to the right, or "tabletop mode", which lets you place the
device on a flat surface with the home button to the left. In screen-away
mode, the dots are arranged "accordion fashion" with dots 1-2-3 on the
left short side and dots 4-5-6 on the right short side. In tabletop mode,
the dots are arranged on the long side closest to you. When you begin
practice, hold your hands pressed on the device until you hear "explore
mode", and Voiceover will tell you which dots are pressed. You will exit
explore mode when you lift a finger. With explore mode, it's a lot easier
to have sounds on, because you'll hear some tones before you enter this
mode. Space using a right-flick, backspace using a left-flick, new line
with two-finger-right-flick, switch between contracted and six-dot
uncontracted with a three-finger-right-flick.
Chime in with other hints. I'm sure there are things I missed. :)
HtH,
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
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RobH.

2014-09-26 07:58:35 UTC

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Ok, more fiddling, and conclude that the dots don't line up along a long
edge in desktop mode, the hands are naturally angled for both hands to be on
the screen at all. So the dots are in their normal positions really and it
is the angle of the hands that get third finger tapping near the back in the
corner while first fingers are tapping near the centre of the long front
edge, but the nearest edge at least, and for sure the opposite edge to the
third fingers. Like I said, tip it face towards you first, before putting
it down, it is working for me, who doesn't come to doing it desktop
fashion, naturally.

In complete contrast, and despite being quite a fan of mBraille; I can't
hack it on the iPad Mini yet. I've not put that on iOs8 yet, so no comment
to that.

Rh.
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My main problem, aside from the frustrating bug where spaces don't always
register, is Table Mode. No matter how I turn my phone, or how many times I
go to Away Mode and then back to Table Mode, or how many times I calibrate,
Table mode is backwards. Dots 1-3 are on the right hand, while dots 4-6 are
on the left. In fact, calibrating in this mode makes it worse, as I usually
end up with dot 1 *between* dots 2 and 3, instead of preceding them. Away
mode works fine, it's only Table Mode that seems to hate me. :)

Post by Cheryl Homiak
I don't think you can make that comparison with your 4s unless the new
braille input really is exactly mbraille. The only reason I question this
is that for some reason, though I know other people had great success and
I am glad for them, I never could at all master mbraille and yet I am
doing well with the built-in system. That's not a criticism of mbraille or
a defense of the built-in system; it just makes me question whether the
two systems are actually totally the same and can be reliably compared as
to the performance of mbraile on a 4s still running iOS7 and the built-in
system on a phone running iOS8. It seems to me that for me to have had
so much trouble with one and be doing well on the other, there must be
some difference between the two but i don't know what that difference
would be. What does seem obvious is that some people who do well on
mbraille are having trouble with the built-in system and at least one
person who could not manage mbraille is doing well with the built-in
system.
--
Cheryl
I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
His joy for my despairing tears!
"This I call to mind,
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

Post by Teresa Cochran
Hi, all,
I've noticed some folks having difficulties with this and posting to other
threads, so I thought I'd make a thread dedicated to it and post a few
hints.
Try the following for practice. Go into Notes or a new mail message. Turn
to the Braille screen input item on the rotor. There are two ways to
position the device for Braille. You can use "screen-away mode", which
makes it possible to point the screen away from you in landscape mode with
the home button to the right, or "tabletop mode", which lets you place the
device on a flat surface with the home button to the left. In screen-away
mode, the dots are arranged "accordion fashion" with dots 1-2-3 on the
left short side and dots 4-5-6 on the right short side. In tabletop mode,
the dots are arranged on the long side closest to you. When you begin
practice, hold your hands pressed on the device until you hear "explore
mode", and Voiceover will tell you which dots are pressed. You will exit
explore mode when you lift a finger. With explore mode, it's a lot easier
to have sounds on, because you'll hear some tones before you enter this
mode. Space using a right-flick, backspace using a left-flick, new line
with two-finger-right-flick, switch between contracted and six-dot
uncontracted with a three-finger-right-flick.
Chime in with other hints. I'm sure there are things I missed. :)
HtH,
Teresa
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with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
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Brett

2014-09-25 21:51:33 UTC

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Hi,

I always use away mode when brailling and do have a 4S and MBraille

In terms of braille accuracy, I notice no difference between using MBraille under iOS7 or 8 and IOS8's built-in braille keyboard . The only exception being entering a space with the in-built braille keyboard, where the space isn't always entered.

I find the best way to enter a space using the built-in braille keyboard, is to pause for about half a second, before swiping for the space.

I hope this does get corrected.

Cheers,
Brett.

Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone

Post by Teresa Cochran
Hi, all,
I've noticed some folks having difficulties with this and posting to other
threads, so I thought I'd make a thread dedicated to it and post a few
hints.
Try the following for practice. Go into Notes or a new mail message. Turn
to the Braille screen input item on the rotor. There are two ways to
position the device for Braille. You can use "screen-away mode", which
makes it possible to point the screen away from you in landscape mode with
the home button to the right, or "tabletop mode", which lets you place the
device on a flat surface with the home button to the left. In screen-away
mode, the dots are arranged "accordion fashion" with dots 1-2-3 on the
left short side and dots 4-5-6 on the right short side. In tabletop mode,
the dots are arranged on the long side closest to you. When you begin
practice, hold your hands pressed on the device until you hear "explore
mode", and Voiceover will tell you which dots are pressed. You will exit
explore mode when you lift a finger. With explore mode, it's a lot easier
to have sounds on, because you'll hear some tones before you enter this
mode. Space using a right-flick, backspace using a left-flick, new line
with two-finger-right-flick, switch between contracted and six-dot
uncontracted with a three-finger-right-flick.
Chime in with other hints. I'm sure there are things I missed. :)
HtH,
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
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Cheryl Homiak

2014-09-25 21:56:44 UTC

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This is really strange. I'm having no problem with spacing on my 6+ and while I struggled with mbraille a few times and eventually just didn't keep working on it, I immediately could use the built-in system. Maybe it's totally psychological on my part because I have no explanation. Now watch! I'll go to braille input and won't be able to get a single space - lol!
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I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

Post by Brett
Hi,
I always use away mode when brailling and do have a 4S and MBraille
In terms of braille accuracy, I notice no difference between using MBraille under iOS7 or 8 and IOS8's built-in braille keyboard . The only exception being entering a space with the in-built braille keyboard, where the space isn't always entered.
I find the best way to enter a space using the built-in braille keyboard, is to pause for about half a second, before swiping for the space.
I hope this does get corrected.
Cheers,
Brett.
Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone

Post by Teresa Cochran
Hi, all,
I've noticed some folks having difficulties with this and posting to other
threads, so I thought I'd make a thread dedicated to it and post a few
hints.
Try the following for practice. Go into Notes or a new mail message. Turn
to the Braille screen input item on the rotor. There are two ways to
position the device for Braille. You can use "screen-away mode", which
makes it possible to point the screen away from you in landscape mode with
the home button to the right, or "tabletop mode", which lets you place the
device on a flat surface with the home button to the left. In screen-away
mode, the dots are arranged "accordion fashion" with dots 1-2-3 on the
left short side and dots 4-5-6 on the right short side. In tabletop mode,
the dots are arranged on the long side closest to you. When you begin
practice, hold your hands pressed on the device until you hear "explore
mode", and Voiceover will tell you which dots are pressed. You will exit
explore mode when you lift a finger. With explore mode, it's a lot easier
to have sounds on, because you'll hear some tones before you enter this
mode. Space using a right-flick, backspace using a left-flick, new line
with two-finger-right-flick, switch between contracted and six-dot
uncontracted with a three-finger-right-flick.
Chime in with other hints. I'm sure there are things I missed. :)
HtH,
Teresa
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with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
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Nicki Keck

2014-09-26 02:47:25 UTC

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I never used m-Braille so admittedly, I am new to braille input on a touch
screen. But I go into explore mode and hit what I thihnk should be dot 1
and it says 2 instead and I move over and can't get to dot 1. I am really
having trouble really getting where the dots are positioned on the screen.
I have tried both tabletop and away modes. I do a bit better with away
mode, but not much. What's weird is the first time I tried it, I did it
successfully but since then I have gotten no where. The patterns just don't
make any sense to me. And it's funny. It will say "screen away mode, home
button to the right" and my home button is not on the right and when I move
it to the right it then says "tabletop mode, home button to the left and so
it seems almost like my home button is opposite what it should be. And the
person who said you don't have to have your home button where they say,
wouldn't the dots be harder to find if it is not where VO says it should be?

I do have a braille display, but would like to master this braille input for
times I don't want to use it but want to type something. I have tried and
done successfully direct touch typing, but I think if I could just get this,
it would be even faster than that. I know braille very well, having learned
it when I was 6, both grade 1 and grade 2 or contracted braille. I do input
very successfully with my braille display, though the sluggishness in IOS 8
is driving me batty. But that's a topic for another thread. So it's not a
matter of me not knowing braille well enough. But this truly has me
baffled, and I've listened to the applevis podcast multiple times.

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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:29 PM
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I don't think you can make that comparison with your 4s unless the new
braille input really is exactly mbraille. The only reason I question this is
that for some reason, though I know other people had great success and I am
glad for them, I never could at all master mbraille and yet I am doing well
with the built-in system. That's not a criticism of mbraille or a defense of
the built-in system; it just makes me question whether the two systems are
actually totally the same and can be reliably compared as to the performance
of mbraile on a 4s still running iOS7 and the built-in system on a phone
running iOS8. It seems to me that for me to have had so much trouble with
one and be doing well on the other, there must be some difference between
the two but i don't know what that difference would be. What does seem
obvious is that some people who do well on mbraille are having trouble with
the built-in system and at least one person who could not manage mbraille is
doing well with the built-in system.

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Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

time.

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Post by Cheryl Homiak
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Cheryl
I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash!
His joy for my despairing tears!
"This I call to mind,
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

contracted and six-dot uncontracted with a three-finger-right-flick.

Post by Deb Lewis

Post by Cheryl Homiak

Post by Teresa Cochran
Chime in with other hints. I'm sure there are things I missed. :)
HtH,
Teresa
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RobH.

2014-09-26 08:14:09 UTC

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Well, this is interesting. I found it saying the opposite to where the
home button really was; I think I confused it by turning it over until it
passed through table top mode until I had it in away mode. But, the big
but! despite what it said about where the home button was, and even if
lieing; the dots were in the right places for the fingers, and typed
normally.
I tested this, I wrote a bit normally using first finger left for A, turned
the phone over endways so home was other end, used first finger left for A,
and it was still good.

Like I said, it's automatic and quite smart really.

In truth, I think this issue got covered in mBraille, and was something to
ignore. The rationale here is that even VO assumes you will look at the
screen, or have it facing you at least; this is more normal and correct most
of the time. It is counter-intuative, even for iOs, to work from behind.
So if we ignore what it says about where the home button is, the braille
dots do come up right.
I think we think about this too hard!

RobH.
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Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:47 AM
Subject: RE: Some Tips On Braille On-screen Input

I never used m-Braille so admittedly, I am new to braille input on a touch
screen. But I go into explore mode and hit what I thihnk should be dot 1
and it says 2 instead and I move over and can't get to dot 1. I am really
having trouble really getting where the dots are positioned on the screen.
I have tried both tabletop and away modes. I do a bit better with away
mode, but not much. What's weird is the first time I tried it, I did it
successfully but since then I have gotten no where. The patterns just don't
make any sense to me. And it's funny. It will say "screen away mode, home
button to the right" and my home button is not on the right and when I move
it to the right it then says "tabletop mode, home button to the left and so
it seems almost like my home button is opposite what it should be. And the
person who said you don't have to have your home button where they say,
wouldn't the dots be harder to find if it is not where VO says it should be?

I do have a braille display, but would like to master this braille input for
times I don't want to use it but want to type something. I have tried and
done successfully direct touch typing, but I think if I could just get this,
it would be even faster than that. I know braille very well, having learned
it when I was 6, both grade 1 and grade 2 or contracted braille. I do input
very successfully with my braille display, though the sluggishness in IOS 8
is driving me batty. But that's a topic for another thread. So it's not a
matter of me not knowing braille well enough. But this truly has me
baffled, and I've listened to the applevis podcast multiple times.

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@googlegroups.com [mailto:***@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Homiak
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:29 PM
To: ***@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some Tips On Braille On-screen Input

I don't think you can make that comparison with your 4s unless the new
braille input really is exactly mbraille. The only reason I question this is
that for some reason, though I know other people had great success and I am
glad for them, I never could at all master mbraille and yet I am doing well
with the built-in system. That's not a criticism of mbraille or a defense of
the built-in system; it just makes me question whether the two systems are
actually totally the same and can be reliably compared as to the performance
of mbraile on a 4s still running iOS7 and the built-in system on a phone
running iOS8. It seems to me that for me to have had so much trouble with
one and be doing well on the other, there must be some difference between
the two but i don't know what that difference would be. What does seem
obvious is that some people who do well on mbraille are having trouble with
the built-in system and at least one person who could not manage mbraille is
doing well with the built-in system.

--
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

time.

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