Well, this is interesting. I found it saying the opposite to where the
home button really was; I think I confused it by turning it over until it
passed through table top mode until I had it in away mode. But, the big
but! despite what it said about where the home button was, and even if
lieing; the dots were in the right places for the fingers, and typed
normally.
I tested this, I wrote a bit normally using first finger left for A, turned
the phone over endways so home was other end, used first finger left for A,
and it was still good.
Like I said, it's automatic and quite smart really.
In truth, I think this issue got covered in mBraille, and was something to
ignore. The rationale here is that even VO assumes you will look at the
screen, or have it facing you at least; this is more normal and correct most
of the time. It is counter-intuative, even for iOs, to work from behind.
So if we ignore what it says about where the home button is, the braille
dots do come up right.
I think we think about this too hard!
RobH.
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Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:47 AM
Subject: RE: Some Tips On Braille On-screen Input
I never used m-Braille so admittedly, I am new to braille input on a touch
screen. But I go into explore mode and hit what I thihnk should be dot 1
and it says 2 instead and I move over and can't get to dot 1. I am really
having trouble really getting where the dots are positioned on the screen.
I have tried both tabletop and away modes. I do a bit better with away
mode, but not much. What's weird is the first time I tried it, I did it
successfully but since then I have gotten no where. The patterns just don't
make any sense to me. And it's funny. It will say "screen away mode, home
button to the right" and my home button is not on the right and when I move
it to the right it then says "tabletop mode, home button to the left and so
it seems almost like my home button is opposite what it should be. And the
person who said you don't have to have your home button where they say,
wouldn't the dots be harder to find if it is not where VO says it should be?
I do have a braille display, but would like to master this braille input for
times I don't want to use it but want to type something. I have tried and
done successfully direct touch typing, but I think if I could just get this,
it would be even faster than that. I know braille very well, having learned
it when I was 6, both grade 1 and grade 2 or contracted braille. I do input
very successfully with my braille display, though the sluggishness in IOS 8
is driving me batty. But that's a topic for another thread. So it's not a
matter of me not knowing braille well enough. But this truly has me
baffled, and I've listened to the applevis podcast multiple times.
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:29 PM
To: ***@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some Tips On Braille On-screen Input
I don't think you can make that comparison with your 4s unless the new
braille input really is exactly mbraille. The only reason I question this is
that for some reason, though I know other people had great success and I am
glad for them, I never could at all master mbraille and yet I am doing well
with the built-in system. That's not a criticism of mbraille or a defense of
the built-in system; it just makes me question whether the two systems are
actually totally the same and can be reliably compared as to the performance
of mbraile on a 4s still running iOS7 and the built-in system on a phone
running iOS8. It seems to me that for me to have had so much trouble with
one and be doing well on the other, there must be some difference between
the two but i don't know what that difference would be. What does seem
obvious is that some people who do well on mbraille are having trouble with
the built-in system and at least one person who could not manage mbraille is
doing well with the built-in system.
--
Cheryl
I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
Post by Deb LewisWell I think I'm following all the instructions just fine. I haven't
seen anything I didn't know. But when I'm in exploring mode, I get one
pattern correctly named, change one figer and it gives me an entirely
unrelated pattern even though some fingers have not moved at all. I
get the same results in table top or landscape mde. I can confirm that
with my 4S, which was not upgraded, I can still use MBraille just
fine. So there may be something about my phone itself.
Post by Cheryl HomiakActually, the home button does not have to be on the left for
tabletop mode though the default has the dots going 1 through 6 from
left to right with the home button the left so that turning it with
the home button on the right would make them backwards. . You can go
to away mode and then turn the phone around with the home button
facing right and go back to tabletop mode and get dots 1 through 6
still going from left to right. The same is true in away mode; the
home button does not have to be on the right. Everything is totally
reversible and you can have the home button wherever you want it at any
time.
Post by Deb LewisPost by Cheryl Homiak--
Cheryl
I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash!
His joy for my despairing tears!
"This I call to mind,
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
Post by Teresa CochranHi, all,
I've noticed some folks having difficulties with this and posting to
other threads, so I thought I'd make a thread dedicated to it and
post a few hints.
Try the following for practice. Go into Notes or a new mail message.
Turn to the Braille screen input item on the rotor. There are two
ways to position the device for Braille. You can use "screen-away
mode", which makes it possible to point the screen away from you in
landscape mode with the home button to the right, or "tabletop
mode", which lets you place the device on a flat surface with the
home button to the left. In screen-away mode, the dots are arranged
"accordion fashion" with dots 1-2-3 on the left short side and dots
4-5-6 on the right short side. In tabletop mode, the dots are
arranged on the long side closest to you. When you begin practice,
hold your hands pressed on the device until you hear "explore mode",
and Voiceover will tell you which dots are pressed. You will exit
explore mode when you lift a finger. With explore mode, it's a lot
easier to have sounds on, because you'll hear some tones before you
enter this mode. Space using a right-flick, backspace using a
left-flick, new line with two-finger-right-flick, switch between
contracted and six-dot uncontracted with a three-finger-right-flick.
Post by Deb LewisPost by Cheryl HomiakPost by Teresa CochranChime in with other hints. I'm sure there are things I missed. :)
HtH,
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and
seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
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