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Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Ronald van Rhijn
2018-11-17 17:31:28 UTC
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Hi

Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?

Thanks.

Ronald
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Maria Reyes
2018-11-17 17:38:46 UTC
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Hi,
Are you holding your phone about arms length from your face? I have to lock and unlock it for it to rescan my face.
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Ronald van Rhijn
2018-11-17 17:44:42 UTC
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Hi Maria,

I hold the phone in different positions to scan or the scan is already completed when I am moving the phone. Mostly the first scan goes well, but now and then it doesn’t and would I like to be able to rescan without having to lock and unlock.
And if sighted users can do this, why we not.

Ronald
Post by Maria Reyes
Hi,
Are you holding your phone about arms length from your face? I have to lock and unlock it for it to rescan my face.
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Maria Reyes
2018-11-17 17:52:18 UTC
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Hi Ronald,
I hold my phone right in front of me and it will scan my face. What position do you hold your phone in the first time? Another way you can try scanning again is to move your phone away from your face, wait a second then try to scan.
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi Maria,
I hold the phone in different positions to scan or the scan is already completed when I am moving the phone. Mostly the first scan goes well, but now and then it doesn’t and would I like to be able to rescan without having to lock and unlock.
And if sighted users can do this, why we not.
Ronald
Post by Maria Reyes
Hi,
Are you holding your phone about arms length from your face? I have to lock and unlock it for it to rescan my face.
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Ronald van Rhijn
2018-11-17 21:11:07 UTC
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Hi Maria,

I often have the iPhone next to me on the table when I wake it with a tap on the screen and then tilt it a bit towards my face. It mostly unlocks.
Holding the phone shortly away from your face after a failed scan and then beck again sometimes works, but not always.

Ronald
Post by Maria Reyes
Hi Ronald,
I hold my phone right in front of me and it will scan my face. What position do you hold your phone in the first time? Another way you can try scanning again is to move your phone away from your face, wait a second then try to scan.
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi Maria,
I hold the phone in different positions to scan or the scan is already completed when I am moving the phone. Mostly the first scan goes well, but now and then it doesn’t and would I like to be able to rescan without having to lock and unlock.
And if sighted users can do this, why we not.
Ronald
Post by Maria Reyes
Hi,
Are you holding your phone about arms length from your face? I have to lock and unlock it for it to rescan my face.
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Aleeha Dudley
2018-11-17 18:00:20 UTC
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Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Ronald van Rhijn
2018-11-17 21:14:55 UTC
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Hi Aleeha,

Doesn't seem to work here. When the code screen pops up, you cannot scan again and have to put in your code to enable face id again.

Ronald
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Post by Aleeha Dudley
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Maria Reyes
2018-11-17 21:22:15 UTC
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Hi Ronald,
Have you tried retraining Face ID? In other words have you tried reseting Face ID and setting it up again?
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi Aleeha,
Doesn't seem to work here. When the code screen pops up, you cannot scan again and have to put in your code to enable face id again.
Ronald
.
Post by Aleeha Dudley
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Anna Dresner
2018-11-18 04:21:30 UTC
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Hi,

When the code screen comes up, doing the home gesture usually works fine for me. Make sure you're holding your phone at least a foot away from your face when you scan.

Best,
Anna
Post by Maria Reyes
Hi Ronald,
Have you tried retraining Face ID? In other words have you tried reseting Face ID and setting it up again?
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi Aleeha,
Doesn't seem to work here. When the code screen pops up, you cannot scan again and have to put in your code to enable face id again.
Ronald
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Post by Aleeha Dudley
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Cristobal Muñoz
2018-11-18 04:46:59 UTC
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Yeah, I'm really not feeling this face ID stuff. Oh well...
My wife teases me that I've suddenly become all selfy-crazed. She's calling me Mr. Vane.

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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi,

When the code screen comes up, doing the home gesture usually works fine for me. Make sure you're holding your phone at least a foot away from your face when you scan.

Best,
Anna
Post by Maria Reyes
Hi Ronald,
Have you tried retraining Face ID? In other words have you tried reseting Face ID and setting it up again?
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi Aleeha,
Doesn't seem to work here. When the code screen pops up, you cannot scan again and have to put in your code to enable face id again.
Ronald
.
Post by Aleeha Dudley
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Ronald van Rhijn
2018-11-18 11:47:11 UTC
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Hi all,

Thanks for your input, will try your suggestions.

Ronald
Post by Cristobal Muñoz
Yeah, I'm really not feeling this face ID stuff. Oh well...
My wife teases me that I've suddenly become all selfy-crazed. She's calling me Mr. Vane.
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
When the code screen comes up, doing the home gesture usually works fine for me. Make sure you're holding your phone at least a foot away from your face when you scan.
Best,
Anna
Post by Maria Reyes
Hi Ronald,
Have you tried retraining Face ID? In other words have you tried reseting Face ID and setting it up again?
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi Aleeha,
Doesn't seem to work here. When the code screen pops up, you cannot scan again and have to put in your code to enable face id again.
Ronald
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Post by Aleeha Dudley
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Hi Aleeha and all,

Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again. Although, when I am out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel comfortable entering my code when out in public.

Janet



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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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2018-11-18 22:44:33 UTC
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Hi Janet,
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then after that you can use Face ID.
Post by janet gross
Hi Aleeha and all,
Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again. Although, when I am out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel comfortable entering my code when out in public.
Janet
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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janet gross
2018-11-18 23:43:07 UTC
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Hi Maria,
Unfortunately, that won't work for me. If the face id doesn't recognize my face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock the phone, I have to enter my pass code. Smile! Now, if I have to enter my pass code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable entering my pass code when out in public though. I don't think that is a smart thing to do, as one might not know who is around. I know when I power down the phone I have to enter my pass code.
Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the dark or even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id feature, I wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting, and I even had the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot it was on when I was setting up the face id. I think this alone is quite amazing though! I'm actually blown away by this! It doesn't take much to please me! Smile!

Janet

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Hi Janet,
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then after that you can use Face ID.
Post by janet gross
Hi Aleeha and all,
Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again. Although, when I am out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel comfortable entering my code when out in public.
Janet
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Anna Dresner
2018-11-18 23:49:18 UTC
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Hi Janet,

Try doing the Home gesture again; it should scan again. You can also lock and then unlock the screen.

Best,
Anna
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Hi Maria,
Unfortunately, that won't work for me. If the face id doesn't recognize my face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock the phone, I have to enter my pass code. Smile! Now, if I have to enter my pass code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable entering my pass code when out in public though. I don't think that is a smart thing to do, as one might not know who is around. I know when I power down the phone I have to enter my pass code.
Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the dark or even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id feature, I wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting, and I even had the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot it was on when I was setting up the face id. I think this alone is quite amazing though! I'm actually blown away by this! It doesn't take much to please me! Smile!
Janet
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Hi Janet,
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then after that you can use Face ID.
Post by janet gross
Hi Aleeha and all,
Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again. Although, when I am out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel comfortable entering my code when out in public.
Janet
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
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Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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janet gross
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Anna,
Ok, I just tried the home gesture now, and low in behold, it worked! Something that simple, and I didn't even think of it!
Thank you thank you!
Janet




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Hi Janet,

Try doing the Home gesture again; it should scan again. You can also lock and then unlock the screen.

Best,
Anna
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi Maria,
Unfortunately, that won't work for me. If the face id doesn't recognize my face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock the phone, I have to enter my pass code. Smile! Now, if I have to enter my pass code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable entering my pass code when out in public though. I don't think that is a smart thing to do, as one might not know who is around. I know when I power down the phone I have to enter my pass code.
Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the dark or even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id feature, I wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting, and I even had the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot it was on when I was setting up the face id. I think this alone is quite amazing though! I'm actually blown away by this! It doesn't take much to please me! Smile!
Janet
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi Janet,
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then after that you can use Face ID.
Post by janet gross
Hi Aleeha and all,
Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again. Although, when I am out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel comfortable entering my code when out in public.
Janet
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To: viPhone
Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Janet, if you still have trouble with the home gesture, if you have a
bluetooth keyboard pared up to your phone you could do it on the keyboard.

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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 6:15 PM
Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?


Anna,
Ok, I just tried the home gesture now, and low in behold, it worked!
Something that simple, and I didn't even think of it!
Thank you thank you!
Janet




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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 5:49 PM
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi Janet,

Try doing the Home gesture again; it should scan again. You can also lock
and then unlock the screen.

Best,
Anna
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi Maria,
Unfortunately, that won't work for me. If the face id doesn't recognize
my face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock
the phone, I have to enter my pass code. Smile! Now, if I have to enter
my pass code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable
entering my pass code when out in public though. I don't think that is a
smart thing to do, as one might not know who is around. I know when I
power down the phone I have to enter my pass code.
Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite
amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the
dark or even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id
feature, I wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting,
and I even had the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot
it was on when I was setting up the face id. I think this alone is quite
amazing though! I'm actually blown away by this! It doesn't take much to
please me! Smile!
Janet
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi Janet,
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code
then after that you can use Face ID.
Post by janet gross
Hi Aleeha and all,
Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when
face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter
my code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again. Although, when
I am out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then
try the face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I
don't feel comfortable entering my code when out in public.
Janet
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 12:00 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This
will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now
and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the
scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or
switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan
with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with
Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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To each their own, but I wouldn't be as reluctant to enter in my pin. You can do so with your phone still in your pocket or purse or if that's too awkward, then just enable the screen curtain so if someone's actually taking the time to watch you for the 2 or 3 seconds that it takes to punch in 4 or 6 or whatever digits, they'll see you tapping away at a black screen anyway. If I'm out and about, I always use a blutooth earpiece. Be it my Trekz Air or Plantronics 5500. Having Vo just chattering away like that feels awkward and it's hard to hear anyway. I like my privacy too.
I do prefer the old touch ID method, but ho well, so goes technology.

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Hi Maria,
Unfortunately, that won't work for me. If the face id doesn't recognize my face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock the phone, I have to enter my pass code. Smile! Now, if I have to enter my pass code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable entering my pass code when out in public though. I don't think that is a smart thing to do, as one might not know who is around. I know when I power down the phone I have to enter my pass code.
Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the dark or even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id feature, I wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting, and I even had the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot it was on when I was setting up the face id. I think this alone is quite amazing though! I'm actually blown away by this! It doesn't take much to please me! Smile!

Janet

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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 4:45 PM
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Hi Janet,
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then after that you can use Face ID.
Post by janet gross
Hi Aleeha and all,
Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again. Although, when I am out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel comfortable entering my code when out in public.
Janet
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 12:00 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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janet gross
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Hi,
I'm reluctant to enter my pass code when out in public or around some people who I might not know very well, for the simple fact, I use vo, and if I can hear vo, I'm sure others can hear it as well. As far as entering my pass code while my phone is in my pocket, again, if I can hear vo, I'm sure others can as well. I Wouldn't buy ear phones just for that reason. I will now use the home gesture for unlocking my phone.
Janet



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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 5:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

To each their own, but I wouldn't be as reluctant to enter in my pin. You can do so with your phone still in your pocket or purse or if that's too awkward, then just enable the screen curtain so if someone's actually taking the time to watch you for the 2 or 3 seconds that it takes to punch in 4 or 6 or whatever digits, they'll see you tapping away at a black screen anyway. If I'm out and about, I always use a blutooth earpiece. Be it my Trekz Air or Plantronics 5500. Having Vo just chattering away like that feels awkward and it's hard to hear anyway. I like my privacy too.
I do prefer the old touch ID method, but ho well, so goes technology.

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Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi Maria,
Unfortunately, that won't work for me. If the face id doesn't recognize my face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock the phone, I have to enter my pass code. Smile! Now, if I have to enter my pass code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable entering my pass code when out in public though. I don't think that is a smart thing to do, as one might not know who is around. I know when I power down the phone I have to enter my pass code.
Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the dark or even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id feature, I wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting, and I even had the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot it was on when I was setting up the face id. I think this alone is quite amazing though! I'm actually blown away by this! It doesn't take much to please me! Smile!

Janet

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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi Janet,
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then after that you can use Face ID.
Post by janet gross
Hi Aleeha and all,
Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again. Although, when I am out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel comfortable entering my code when out in public.
Janet
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To: viPhone
Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Cristobal Muñoz
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This is where as I mentioned some sort of bluetooth earpiece comes in. For privacy as well as for the fact that trying to hear VoiceOver or use your phone in an environment with ambient noise and whatnot really is not a pleasant or efficient experience.
If you don't have a Bluetooth earpiece of some sort, I would strongly recommend you consider getting one. You don't even have to buy a super expensive or hi tech model. Even somethin 30 or 40 bucks if that would even afford you all sorts of privacy and piece of mind.

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Hi,
I'm reluctant to enter my pass code when out in public or around some people who I might not know very well, for the simple fact, I use vo, and if I can hear vo, I'm sure others can hear it as well. As far as entering my pass code while my phone is in my pocket, again, if I can hear vo, I'm sure others can as well. I Wouldn't buy ear phones just for that reason. I will now use the home gesture for unlocking my phone.
Janet



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To each their own, but I wouldn't be as reluctant to enter in my pin. You can do so with your phone still in your pocket or purse or if that's too awkward, then just enable the screen curtain so if someone's actually taking the time to watch you for the 2 or 3 seconds that it takes to punch in 4 or 6 or whatever digits, they'll see you tapping away at a black screen anyway. If I'm out and about, I always use a blutooth earpiece. Be it my Trekz Air or Plantronics 5500. Having Vo just chattering away like that feels awkward and it's hard to hear anyway. I like my privacy too.
I do prefer the old touch ID method, but ho well, so goes technology.

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Hi Maria,
Unfortunately, that won't work for me. If the face id doesn't recognize my face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock the phone, I have to enter my pass code. Smile! Now, if I have to enter my pass code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable entering my pass code when out in public though. I don't think that is a smart thing to do, as one might not know who is around. I know when I power down the phone I have to enter my pass code.
Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the dark or even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id feature, I wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting, and I even had the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot it was on when I was setting up the face id. I think this alone is quite amazing though! I'm actually blown away by this! It doesn't take much to please me! Smile!

Janet

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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi Janet,
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then after that you can use Face ID.
Post by janet gross
Hi Aleeha and all,
Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again. Although, when I am out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel comfortable entering my code when out in public.
Janet
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Sieghard Weitzel
2018-11-19 06:09:03 UTC
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But your iPhone already came with a set of perfectly good Earpods.

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Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi,
I'm reluctant to enter my pass code when out in public or around some people who I might not know very well, for the simple fact, I use vo, and if I can hear vo, I'm sure others can hear it as well. As far as entering my pass code while my phone is in my pocket, again, if I can hear vo, I'm sure others can as well. I Wouldn't buy ear phones just for that reason. I will now use the home gesture for unlocking my phone.
Janet



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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 5:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

To each their own, but I wouldn't be as reluctant to enter in my pin. You can do so with your phone still in your pocket or purse or if that's too awkward, then just enable the screen curtain so if someone's actually taking the time to watch you for the 2 or 3 seconds that it takes to punch in 4 or 6 or whatever digits, they'll see you tapping away at a black screen anyway. If I'm out and about, I always use a blutooth earpiece. Be it my Trekz Air or Plantronics 5500. Having Vo just chattering away like that feels awkward and it's hard to hear anyway. I like my privacy too.
I do prefer the old touch ID method, but ho well, so goes technology.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:43 PM
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Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi Maria,
Unfortunately, that won't work for me. If the face id doesn't recognize my face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock the phone, I have to enter my pass code. Smile! Now, if I have to enter my pass code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable entering my pass code when out in public though. I don't think that is a smart thing to do, as one might not know who is around. I know when I power down the phone I have to enter my pass code.
Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the dark or even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id feature, I wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting, and I even had the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot it was on when I was setting up the face id. I think this alone is quite amazing though! I'm actually blown away by this! It doesn't take much to please me! Smile!

Janet

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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 4:45 PM
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi Janet,
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then after that you can use Face ID.
Post by janet gross
Hi Aleeha and all,
Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again. Although, when I am out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel comfortable entering my code when out in public.
Janet
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Carolyn Arnold
2018-11-19 15:54:02 UTC
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For me, wearing hearing, ear pods aren't workable, where earbuds are. So, what am I going to do whenever I have to replace my SE?

Best regards,

Carolyn


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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 1:09 AM
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Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

But your iPhone already came with a set of perfectly good Earpods.

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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 4:28 PM
To: ***@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi,
I'm reluctant to enter my pass code when out in public or around some people who I might not know very well, for the simple fact, I use vo, and if I can hear vo, I'm sure others can hear it as well. As far as entering my pass code while my phone is in my pocket, again, if I can hear vo, I'm sure others can as well. I Wouldn't buy ear phones just for that reason. I will now use the home gesture for unlocking my phone.
Janet



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Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

To each their own, but I wouldn't be as reluctant to enter in my pin. You can do so with your phone still in your pocket or purse or if that's too awkward, then just enable the screen curtain so if someone's actually taking the time to watch you for the 2 or 3 seconds that it takes to punch in 4 or 6 or whatever digits, they'll see you tapping away at a black screen anyway. If I'm out and about, I always use a blutooth earpiece. Be it my Trekz Air or Plantronics 5500. Having Vo just chattering away like that feels awkward and it's hard to hear anyway. I like my privacy too.
I do prefer the old touch ID method, but ho well, so goes technology.

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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:43 PM
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Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi Maria,
Unfortunately, that won't work for me. If the face id doesn't recognize my face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock the phone, I have to enter my pass code. Smile! Now, if I have to enter my pass code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable entering my pass code when out in public though. I don't think that is a smart thing to do, as one might not know who is around. I know when I power down the phone I have to enter my pass code.
Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the dark or even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id feature, I wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting, and I even had the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot it was on when I was setting up the face id. I think this alone is quite amazing though! I'm actually blown away by this! It doesn't take much to please me! Smile!

Janet

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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 4:45 PM
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi Janet,
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then after that you can use Face ID.
Post by janet gross
Hi Aleeha and all,
Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again. Although, when I am out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel comfortable entering my code when out in public.
Janet
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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You use whatever iPhone you decide you want, as most who have and use Face Id will attest it works very well and will probably be even further improved in future phones. Your SE is probably good for at least another year or two, maybe you need to get a new battery at some point, but that can easily be done and in fact if you go to Settings > Battery > Battery Health and see that your capacity is below 88% or 86% you might want to take advantage of Apple's $29 replacement program which you can still do until December 31, 2018. I really wouldn't worry too much, accessibility won't suddenly go away or become horrible and with Samsung coming out with the first foldable display phone next year as they promised in a few years we may all carry tiny phones with a small screen on the outside which become iPad Mini type devices when unfolded.

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Sieghard

Regards,
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For me, wearing hearing, ear pods aren't workable, where earbuds are. So, what am I going to do whenever I have to replace my SE?

Best regards,

Carolyn


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But your iPhone already came with a set of perfectly good Earpods.

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Hi,
I'm reluctant to enter my pass code when out in public or around some people who I might not know very well, for the simple fact, I use vo, and if I can hear vo, I'm sure others can hear it as well. As far as entering my pass code while my phone is in my pocket, again, if I can hear vo, I'm sure others can as well. I Wouldn't buy ear phones just for that reason. I will now use the home gesture for unlocking my phone.
Janet



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To each their own, but I wouldn't be as reluctant to enter in my pin. You can do so with your phone still in your pocket or purse or if that's too awkward, then just enable the screen curtain so if someone's actually taking the time to watch you for the 2 or 3 seconds that it takes to punch in 4 or 6 or whatever digits, they'll see you tapping away at a black screen anyway. If I'm out and about, I always use a blutooth earpiece. Be it my Trekz Air or Plantronics 5500. Having Vo just chattering away like that feels awkward and it's hard to hear anyway. I like my privacy too.
I do prefer the old touch ID method, but ho well, so goes technology.

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Hi Maria,
Unfortunately, that won't work for me. If the face id doesn't recognize my face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock the phone, I have to enter my pass code. Smile! Now, if I have to enter my pass code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable entering my pass code when out in public though. I don't think that is a smart thing to do, as one might not know who is around. I know when I power down the phone I have to enter my pass code.
Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the dark or even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id feature, I wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting, and I even had the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot it was on when I was setting up the face id. I think this alone is quite amazing though! I'm actually blown away by this! It doesn't take much to please me! Smile!

Janet

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Hi Janet,
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then after that you can use Face ID.
Post by janet gross
Hi Aleeha and all,
Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again. Although, when I am out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel comfortable entering my code when out in public.
Janet
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Anna Dresner
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Hi Caorlyn,

All iPhones still come with wired headphones. On the newer phones, they're just like your AirPods except they end in a lightning connector instead of the standard headphone jack.

Best,
Anna
Post by Sieghard Weitzel
You use whatever iPhone you decide you want, as most who have and use Face Id will attest it works very well and will probably be even further improved in future phones. Your SE is probably good for at least another year or two, maybe you need to get a new battery at some point, but that can easily be done and in fact if you go to Settings > Battery > Battery Health and see that your capacity is below 88% or 86% you might want to take advantage of Apple's $29 replacement program which you can still do until December 31, 2018. I really wouldn't worry too much, accessibility won't suddenly go away or become horrible and with Samsung coming out with the first foldable display phone next year as they promised in a few years we may all carry tiny phones with a small screen on the outside which become iPad Mini type devices when unfolded.
Regards,
Sieghard
Regards,
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For me, wearing hearing, ear pods aren't workable, where earbuds are. So, what am I going to do whenever I have to replace my SE?
Best regards,
Carolyn
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Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
But your iPhone already came with a set of perfectly good Earpods.
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Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
I'm reluctant to enter my pass code when out in public or around some people who I might not know very well, for the simple fact, I use vo, and if I can hear vo, I'm sure others can hear it as well. As far as entering my pass code while my phone is in my pocket, again, if I can hear vo, I'm sure others can as well. I Wouldn't buy ear phones just for that reason. I will now use the home gesture for unlocking my phone.
Janet
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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
To each their own, but I wouldn't be as reluctant to enter in my pin. You can do so with your phone still in your pocket or purse or if that's too awkward, then just enable the screen curtain so if someone's actually taking the time to watch you for the 2 or 3 seconds that it takes to punch in 4 or 6 or whatever digits, they'll see you tapping away at a black screen anyway. If I'm out and about, I always use a blutooth earpiece. Be it my Trekz Air or Plantronics 5500. Having Vo just chattering away like that feels awkward and it's hard to hear anyway. I like my privacy too.
I do prefer the old touch ID method, but ho well, so goes technology.
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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:43 PM
Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi Maria,
Unfortunately, that won't work for me. If the face id doesn't recognize my face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock the phone, I have to enter my pass code. Smile! Now, if I have to enter my pass code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable entering my pass code when out in public though. I don't think that is a smart thing to do, as one might not know who is around. I know when I power down the phone I have to enter my pass code.
Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the dark or even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id feature, I wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting, and I even had the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot it was on when I was setting up the face id. I think this alone is quite amazing though! I'm actually blown away by this! It doesn't take much to please me! Smile!
Janet
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi Janet,
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then after that you can use Face ID.
Post by janet gross
Hi Aleeha and all,
Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again. Although, when I am out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel comfortable entering my code when out in public.
Janet
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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Sieghard Weitzel
2018-11-19 06:07:41 UTC
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Hi Janet,

You don't have to turn the volume that loud and if you are really that worried plug in a headset so nobody can hear what you are entering.

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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:43 PM
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Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi Maria,
Unfortunately, that won't work for me. If the face id doesn't recognize my face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock the phone, I have to enter my pass code. Smile! Now, if I have to enter my pass code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable entering my pass code when out in public though. I don't think that is a smart thing to do, as one might not know who is around. I know when I power down the phone I have to enter my pass code.
Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the dark or even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id feature, I wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting, and I even had the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot it was on when I was setting up the face id. I think this alone is quite amazing though! I'm actually blown away by this! It doesn't take much to please me! Smile!

Janet

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Hi Janet,
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then after that you can use Face ID.
Post by janet gross
Hi Aleeha and all,
Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again. Although, when I am out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel comfortable entering my code when out in public.
Janet
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
Hi,
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will initiate a second scan.
Aleeha
Post by Ronald van Rhijn
Hi
Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me unfortunately.
Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
Thanks.
Ronald
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