Seeing AI Short Text Function

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Kelby Carlson

2017-07-25 16:51:53 UTC

I've been playing around with my Seeing AI app the past couple of
days. Since I don't have many print documents around the house, I've
been trying the short text function. At least when I have tried
getting it to read the text on my computer screen I've had almost zero
luck. No matter how close or far I put the camera from the screen, I
get mostly gibberish and at best just the top of the window. Certainly
never the main text of, say, a newspaper article. I can't imagine how
people are using this to read fast food restaurant menus as many are
claiming.
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Michael D. Ulrich

2017-07-25 17:17:18 UTC

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I've been having problems to

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Post by Kelby Carlson
I've been playing around with my Seeing AI app the past couple of
days. Since I don't have many print documents around the house, I've
been trying the short text function. At least when I have tried
getting it to read the text on my computer screen I've had almost zero
luck. No matter how close or far I put the camera from the screen, I
get mostly gibberish and at best just the top of the window. Certainly
never the main text of, say, a newspaper article. I can't imagine how
people are using this to read fast food restaurant menus as many are
claiming.
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2017-07-25 17:23:15 UTC

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I've also been reading the prior threads on this, for example on the
product channel. I've been pretty unimpressed with that too. It's only
managed to recognize one or two products. Mostly it doesn't even beep, even
if I center it and hold the phone about twelve inches from the camera. But,
then again, perhaps I'm just terrible with the camera. I've never had much
luck scanning documents with KNFB reader either.

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Dave Mitchel

2017-07-25 17:41:51 UTC

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I have had excellent response with the short text both on monitor and menus
at a cafe. It has taken practice but worth it for sure. which phone are you
using? I'm using the SE version and all functions work fine for me. I used
the short text for updating my computer just last night and this morning in
fact.
Dave

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From: Kelby Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:51 AM
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Subject: Seeing AI Short Text Function

I've been playing around with my Seeing AI app the past couple of
days. Since I don't have many print documents around the house, I've
been trying the short text function. At least when I have tried
getting it to read the text on my computer screen I've had almost zero
luck. No matter how close or far I put the camera from the screen, I
get mostly gibberish and at best just the top of the window. Certainly
never the main text of, say, a newspaper article. I can't imagine how
people are using this to read fast food restaurant menus as many are
claiming.
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Kelby Carlson

2017-07-25 18:41:29 UTC

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I am using the iPhone 7. Is there a specific resolution your monitor
needs to be set at to work properly? Also, I feel like I do a decent
job of holding the camera still but the text always stops and
restarts.

Post by Dave Mitchel
I have had excellent response with the short text both on monitor and menus
at a cafe. It has taken practice but worth it for sure. which phone are you
using? I'm using the SE version and all functions work fine for me. I used
the short text for updating my computer just last night and this morning in
fact.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelby Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:51 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Seeing AI Short Text Function
I've been playing around with my Seeing AI app the past couple of
days. Since I don't have many print documents around the house, I've
been trying the short text function. At least when I have tried
getting it to read the text on my computer screen I've had almost zero
luck. No matter how close or far I put the camera from the screen, I
get mostly gibberish and at best just the top of the window. Certainly
never the main text of, say, a newspaper article. I can't imagine how
people are using this to read fast food restaurant menus as many are
claiming.
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Kelby Carlson

2017-07-25 19:05:03 UTC

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I'll give an example. Let's say I'm trying to view text from a scanned
PDF on my computer. I hold the phone centered on the screen, about a
foot away. All it will read me is the stuff at the top of the screen,
with the menu bars and such.

Post by Kelby Carlson
I am using the iPhone 7. Is there a specific resolution your monitor
needs to be set at to work properly? Also, I feel like I do a decent
job of holding the camera still but the text always stops and
restarts.

Post by Dave Mitchel
I have had excellent response with the short text both on monitor and menus
at a cafe. It has taken practice but worth it for sure. which phone are you
using? I'm using the SE version and all functions work fine for me. I used
the short text for updating my computer just last night and this morning in
fact.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelby Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:51 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Seeing AI Short Text Function
I've been playing around with my Seeing AI app the past couple of
days. Since I don't have many print documents around the house, I've
been trying the short text function. At least when I have tried
getting it to read the text on my computer screen I've had almost zero
luck. No matter how close or far I put the camera from the screen, I
get mostly gibberish and at best just the top of the window. Certainly
never the main text of, say, a newspaper article. I can't imagine how
people are using this to read fast food restaurant menus as many are
claiming.
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Sieghard Weitzel

2017-07-25 20:07:24 UTC

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What you describe about the app starting to read text over and over sounds like you are moving the phone/camera.
I am getting very good results as well, this morning I received my neww government guide dog Id card in the mail and I pointed the phone at the letter that came with it using the short text function and it read it out flawlessly.
I just tried it again pointing my iPhone 6S Plus towards my 24 inch LCD screen from about a foot away with Outlook and this email open and it read a bunch of the menus and things on the screen and then most of what I just wrote here.
Also just tried it by holding it over my Apple Watch where it read me the date, time and the current temperature which are some of the complications I have on this watch face. Only mistake was that it said "230 Fair" instead of "23 degrees Fair", so it recognized the degree symbol as a zero.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: ***@googlegroups.com [mailto:***@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelby Carlson
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Subject: Re: Seeing AI Short Text Function

I'll give an example. Let's say I'm trying to view text from a scanned PDF on my computer. I hold the phone centered on the screen, about a foot away. All it will read me is the stuff at the top of the screen, with the menu bars and such.

Post by Dave Mitchel
I have had excellent response with the short text both on monitor and menus
at a cafe. It has taken practice but worth it for sure. which phone are you
using? I'm using the SE version and all functions work fine for me. I
used the short text for updating my computer just last night and this
morning in
fact.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelby Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:51 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Seeing AI Short Text Function
I've been playing around with my Seeing AI app the past couple of
days. Since I don't have many print documents around the house, I've
been trying the short text function. At least when I have tried
getting it to read the text on my computer screen I've had almost
zero luck. No matter how close or far I put the camera from the
screen, I get mostly gibberish and at best just the top of the
window. Certainly never the main text of, say, a newspaper article. I
can't imagine how people are using this to read fast food restaurant
menus as many are claiming.
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Kelby Carlson

2017-07-25 20:10:03 UTC

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I am holding the camera as still as I possibly can and it still isn't
working. My hand isn't moving at all.

Post by Sieghard Weitzel
What you describe about the app starting to read text over and over sounds
like you are moving the phone/camera.
I am getting very good results as well, this morning I received my neww
government guide dog Id card in the mail and I pointed the phone at the
letter that came with it using the short text function and it read it out
flawlessly.
I just tried it again pointing my iPhone 6S Plus towards my 24 inch LCD
screen from about a foot away with Outlook and this email open and it read a
bunch of the menus and things on the screen and then most of what I just
wrote here.
Also just tried it by holding it over my Apple Watch where it read me the
date, time and the current temperature which are some of the complications I
have on this watch face. Only mistake was that it said "230 Fair" instead of
"23 degrees Fair", so it recognized the degree symbol as a zero.
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: Seeing AI Short Text Function
I'll give an example. Let's say I'm trying to view text from a scanned PDF
on my computer. I hold the phone centered on the screen, about a foot away.
All it will read me is the stuff at the top of the screen, with the menu
bars and such.

Post by Dave Mitchel
I have had excellent response with the short text both on monitor and menus
at a cafe. It has taken practice but worth it for sure. which phone are you
using? I'm using the SE version and all functions work fine for me. I
used the short text for updating my computer just last night and this
morning in
fact.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelby Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:51 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Seeing AI Short Text Function
I've been playing around with my Seeing AI app the past couple of
days. Since I don't have many print documents around the house, I've
been trying the short text function. At least when I have tried
getting it to read the text on my computer screen I've had almost
zero luck. No matter how close or far I put the camera from the
screen, I get mostly gibberish and at best just the top of the
window. Certainly never the main text of, say, a newspaper article. I
can't imagine how people are using this to read fast food restaurant
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Sieghard Weitzel

2017-07-25 20:22:47 UTC

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If you have a sighted family member or friend around I'd suggest you ask them to check it out and get them to help you.
It can be very helpful to get feedback from somebody who can see what you do and see the screen as you do it when it comes to using the camera.
You mentioned you haven't been too successful with KNFB Reader either which means you may just not hold the camera straight, if I put a piece of paper on a flat surface and it is good quality print the result I get with KNFB Reader free hand is usually just as good as if I use a flatbed scanner with something like Openbook and I know many other list members get similarly good results.
I also used Seeing AI short text this morning when I brushed against a cardboard sign which somebody had put up on a lamp post at about head height and which was overhanging the sidewalk.
I stood about 5 feet in front of it and point my camera at it and the app immediately read out "Detour" and something about "RV's using Riverside Campground".
For me that was enough to know that this was obviously an official sign put up by the town so I called the town office, asked them to put me through to their work yard office where they are responsible for stuff like this and told the lady they were lucky this wasn't a metal sign or I may have had a nice scratch on the side of my head. She assured me that she would get somebody there to put it a foot or two higher right away so it would be well above head height.
It's a very useful app to sayt the least and I look forward to future improvements. One can hope that since Microsoft is doing this they won't just give up on it like so many other developers have done with apps which started out so promising. It certainly wouldn't be for a lack of funds, server space or whatever.

Regards,
Sieghard

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I am holding the camera as still as I possibly can and it still isn't working. My hand isn't moving at all.

Post by Sieghard Weitzel
What you describe about the app starting to read text over and over
sounds like you are moving the phone/camera.
I am getting very good results as well, this morning I received my
neww government guide dog Id card in the mail and I pointed the phone
at the letter that came with it using the short text function and it
read it out flawlessly.
I just tried it again pointing my iPhone 6S Plus towards my 24 inch
LCD screen from about a foot away with Outlook and this email open and
it read a bunch of the menus and things on the screen and then most of
what I just wrote here.
Also just tried it by holding it over my Apple Watch where it read me
the date, time and the current temperature which are some of the
complications I have on this watch face. Only mistake was that it said
"230 Fair" instead of
"23 degrees Fair", so it recognized the degree symbol as a zero.
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: Seeing AI Short Text Function
I'll give an example. Let's say I'm trying to view text from a scanned
PDF on my computer. I hold the phone centered on the screen, about a foot away.
All it will read me is the stuff at the top of the screen, with the
menu bars and such.

Post by Dave Mitchel
I have had excellent response with the short text both on monitor and menus
at a cafe. It has taken practice but worth it for sure. which phone are you
using? I'm using the SE version and all functions work fine for me.
I used the short text for updating my computer just last night and
this morning in
fact.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelby Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:51 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Seeing AI Short Text Function
I've been playing around with my Seeing AI app the past couple of
days. Since I don't have many print documents around the house, I've
been trying the short text function. At least when I have tried
getting it to read the text on my computer screen I've had almost
zero luck. No matter how close or far I put the camera from the
screen, I get mostly gibberish and at best just the top of the
window. Certainly never the main text of, say, a newspaper article.
I can't imagine how people are using this to read fast food
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Richard Turner

2017-07-26 01:27:34 UTC

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First, scanned image PDF documents are generally not great text quality.
Also, there is so much clutter on a computer screen, it would be hard to get just the document in focus.
You might try maximizing the window to see if that helps.
But, maybe printing it then using Seeing AI would be better.
The Short Text works fabulously on my Windows 10 screen at home and my Windows 7 screen at work.
But, I only use it for messages that are popping up.
Not for trying to read a document on the screen.
HTH,
Richard

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jul 25, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Kelby Carlson <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'll give an example. Let's say I'm trying to view text from a scanned
PDF on my computer. I hold the phone centered on the screen, about a
foot away. All it will read me is the stuff at the top of the screen,
with the menu bars and such.

On 7/25/17, Kelby Carlson <***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am using the iPhone 7. Is there a specific resolution your monitor
needs to be set at to work properly? Also, I feel like I do a decent
job of holding the camera still but the text always stops and
restarts.

On 7/25/17, Dave Mitchel <***@centurylink.net<mailto:***@centurylink.net>> wrote:
I have had excellent response with the short text both on monitor and
menus

at a cafe. It has taken practice but worth it for sure. which phone are
you

using? I'm using the SE version and all functions work fine for me. I
used
the short text for updating my computer just last night and this morning
in

fact.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Kelby Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:51 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Seeing AI Short Text Function

I've been playing around with my Seeing AI app the past couple of
days. Since I don't have many print documents around the house, I've
been trying the short text function. At least when I have tried
getting it to read the text on my computer screen I've had almost zero
luck. No matter how close or far I put the camera from the screen, I
get mostly gibberish and at best just the top of the window. Certainly
never the main text of, say, a newspaper article. I can't imagine how
people are using this to read fast food restaurant menus as many are
claiming.

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Dave Mitchel

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I had a little trouble with the text starting over but just muddled through.
I figure it might be the monitor doing something to make it do that.

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I am using the iPhone 7. Is there a specific resolution your monitor
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Mike Ulrich

2017-07-25 19:52:53 UTC

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Well I know the IPhone camera, when running through the Seeing AI's Short Channel is a bit sensitive. Actually quite sensitive indeed. One must really hold the camera steady. I let it pick up on the verbiage, then instantly as it starts reading, flick the camera lens away so its not aiming at any other readable verbiage.
Doing it this way; it'll read quite a bit, before you have to refocus it.

I'm getting more and more used to all the channels on this in creditable app! A big time thumbs up for sure Mr. Microsoft!

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I had a little trouble with the text starting over but just muddled through.
I figure it might be the monitor doing something to make it do that.

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I am using the iPhone 7. Is there a specific resolution your monitor needs to be set at to work properly? Also, I feel like I do a decent job of holding the camera still but the text always stops and restarts.

Post by Dave Mitchel
I have had excellent response with the short text both on monitor and menus
at a cafe. It has taken practice but worth it for sure. which phone are you
using? I'm using the SE version and all functions work fine for me. I
used the short text for updating my computer just last night and this
morning in
fact.
Dave
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people are using this to read fast food restaurant menus as many are
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Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND

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I can't seem to get the short text channel to read any LED displays. On my stove, for example, it will read the labels of the buttons, but I can't get it to read the display.

Is anyone having any luck with reading LED displays?

Pam
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I had a little trouble with the text starting over but just muddled through.
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Sieghard Weitzel

2017-07-25 20:23:27 UTC

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I'll try it on our washing machine and dryer tonight.

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I can't seem to get the short text channel to read any LED displays. On my stove, for example, it will read the labels of the buttons, but I can't get it to read the display.

Is anyone having any luck with reading LED displays?

Pam
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I had a little trouble with the text starting over but just muddled through.
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I am using the iPhone 7. Is there a specific resolution your monitor needs to be set at to work properly? Also, I feel like I do a decent job of holding the camera still but the text always stops and restarts.

Post by Dave Mitchel
I have had excellent response with the short text both on monitor and menus
at a cafe. It has taken practice but worth it for sure. which phone are you
using? I'm using the SE version and all functions work fine for me. I
used the short text for updating my computer just last night and this
morning in
fact.
Dave
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I've been playing around with my Seeing AI app the past couple of
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Lelia Struve

2017-07-25 23:06:27 UTC

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Hi there, one thing I've noticed with the short text channel as well as the product channel, is when you are reading for a while, it tends to stop. And you have to go back out of the app and open it again to be able to read more. Does anybody have that issue?

Lelia

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Post by Sieghard Weitzel
I'll try it on our washing machine and dryer tonight.
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I can't seem to get the short text channel to read any LED displays. On my stove, for example, it will read the labels of the buttons, but I can't get it to read the display.
Is anyone having any luck with reading LED displays?
Pam
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I had a little trouble with the text starting over but just muddled through.
I figure it might be the monitor doing something to make it do that.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Seeing AI Short Text Function
I am using the iPhone 7. Is there a specific resolution your monitor needs to be set at to work properly? Also, I feel like I do a decent job of holding the camera still but the text always stops and restarts.

Post by Dave Mitchel
I have had excellent response with the short text both on monitor and menus
at a cafe. It has taken practice but worth it for sure. which phone are you
using? I'm using the SE version and all functions work fine for me. I
used the short text for updating my computer just last night and this
morning in
fact.
Dave
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Subject: Seeing AI Short Text Function
I've been playing around with my Seeing AI app the past couple of
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getting it to read the text on my computer screen I've had almost zero
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